UPDATE: In the wake of numerous posts on social media claiming that Redfield’s Tavern and the Katy Trail Ice House have owners/investors in common — and a statement on the Redfield’s Tavern website saying that “The Partners of Redfield’s have had a hand in other places around Dallas including Barley House, Bryan Street Tavern, City Tavern, Banditos and Katy Trail Ice House” — Katy Trail Ice House management posted to that business’ Facebook page shortly before midnight Wednesday stressing that the two establishments do not have any shared owners:
“The Ice House has no common partners with, any ownership of or any relationship to Redfield’s Tavern. The Ice House has many partners. We cannot control, nor are we responsible for a single partner that left the partnership over seven years ago.”
UPDATE: We have added the raw audio file at the end of this post. We are still going to find someone to clean up the sound and transcribe the tape.
Redfield’s Tavern, on Butler Street in The Medical District, had become a popular hangout for LGBTQ folks looking for somewhere to go after COVID-19 shut down The Strip. But the bar and grill quickly became the target of LGBTQ fury today (Wednesday, Oct. 21) after word began to spread on Facebook that Redfield’s owners were caught on tape saying their establishment is not a gay bar and they didn’t want any more gay people hired.
We here at Dallas Voice can confirm that there is, indeed, a tape, and that two men can be heard on that tape telling the woman not to hire any more gay employees. The audio appears to have been recorded outside on a patio, and the background noise often obscures what the two men are saying. But there is enough audible conversation to confirm that the men are complaining about the number of gay men employed at Redfield’s.
Dallas Voice messaged Redfield’s via Facebook asking for comment about the rumors but received no reply. And within 30 minutes, the Redfield’s Facebook page was taken offline.
The person who sent the tape to Dallas Voice identified the two men on the tape as “two of the owners, Joe and Scott,” and the woman as “Lindsay, the former GM, who left in protest.”
Below are pieces of the conversation from the tape (we will be sending the tape to an audio engineer to try and decipher more of the conversation):
After the woman, commented that “this week’s been slower,” Man 1 says, “We are not going to try to be a gay bar to keep our business up.” She answers, “I know,” and he continues, “And I see it in the people that we are hiring. I see it (unintelligible) and it is very concerning to me because we are going to fail if, if, I don’t normally talk like this [with managers and staff] … because it gets complicated and there’s far more reaching implications than (unintelligible, something about sales).”
Man 1: “We have 30-something investors … We did not tell them we are going to be opening up [a] gay bar. So, so, there’s one thing. For us to decide that we’re going to try to do that, there’s nothing wrong with any customers [unintelligible, possibly said nothing wrong with customers being gay] at all. But what’s happening is …”
Woman interrupts and says, “I feel like we’ve hired people that are qualified more than anything. Because we needed better service. We got better service.” But Man 1 replies, “I’m not hearing that the people we are hiring are really adding much as far as quality service … . That’s the feedback that I’ve gotten from people.”
The woman then asks, “So how do you want us to handle that? What? Fire everyone?”
Man 2: “We get female servers.”
Woman: “We have three new ones.”
Man 1: “We are getting lots of feedback … . We’re gonna fail… . Long-term prospects are that we face a gigantic failure… .” The voices are drowned out for a bit by background noise but the general implication is that the owners are telling the female general manager that there are too many gay men working there and customers don’t like it, and if that doesn’t change, the business will fail.
The woman says that she had been told if Redfield’s were a gay bar, “What we are selling in a week we could be selling in a day.” She says “We are not trying to make the staff gay,” to which one of the men replies, “Yes you are.”
The woman tells the men “If the gay crowd gets wind that we don’t like gay people, we will have NO business,” to which Man 1 replies, “How will they get wind of that?” She answers, “Well if we are not allowed to hire any men — straight men, gay men.” She also says that no one was hired because they were gay; they were hired because they were qualified.
Again, the men’s voices become unintelligible, but they are apparently telling the woman that there are two many overtly gay men on staff because she says very clearly, “They are not overtly gay. Your wife made an overtly rude comment to one of our bartenders because she thought he was straight. So they are not obviously gay.”
Also on tape, one of the men says, “If we hire someone and they don’t fit our image, either they won’t be on the schedule or we will fire them,” and “We are going to go through the staff.”
There is more, but again, back ground noise makes some of the conversation unintelligible. But there is clear conversation to indicate that the owners of Redfield’s Tavern were, indeed, complaining that their general manager had hired too many gay men, and they did clearly say they did not intend for the business to be a gay bar.
We’re sure there’s more to come, and we will update this post as we learn more.
— Tammye Nash
Wow.
What?????
Never again!!!
Don’t forget to review them on Google and Yelp
Dont forget this will hurt the employees more than the bigoted owners😢
Apparently they all walked out the day after the news broke.
She clearly calls “man 1” Scott when talking about his wife’s rude comments
Scott Cecil wife @ Bank of America. Imagine how she must treat people there.
First of all, I am a straight woman, and the ONLY reason I went to this place is because my gay friends wanted to go. I would never have otherwise suggested to come here. And now, learning about the very obvious lack of leadership skills, I will never return. A person’s sexual orientation should never be a factor in whether they are hired at a place of employment. Nor should a customer’s sexual orientation matter! If they are a paying customer, that is acting like an adult and not causing problems, THAT should be your focus. Generating income should be your focus.
Furthermore, if the manager that is doing the talking on the recording has any true leadership skills he would absolutely be discussing strategies with his managers! Leadership skills 101. Communication starts at the top. And from that conversation, it is blatantly clear that he is not a good leader. This is 2020. The world is evolving! Perhaps he needs to take a diversity class to catch up. Kudos to the gal who stood up. We need more people like you in this world!
Just for clarification, I purchased Bryan Street Tavern almost 10 years ago, just over two years after it was opened.
It goes without saying, we have always supported the LGBTQ community. Its unfortunate we were mentioned in the article as anyone who has been here can attest to the fact there is not an ounce of bigotry to be found at Bryan Street Tavern.
We migjt have the most diverse clientele in Dallas and wouldn’t want it any other way!
4315 Bryan St, Dallas, TX 75204 between Peak and Carroll
*Too many
Joe Tillotson is the main owner of this sh*thole. Apparently, he’s a cancer survivor too. You would think that alone would make him a be a better person than this! It’s almost laughable in 2020 that someone could have a problem with the LGBT+ community coming to spend their money in an establishment! Fuck this place. Too many welcoming places to spend our money. 🖕🏻
As a regular patron at Redfields. I heard this about two weeks ago when it first occurred. We loved the original staff, Phil and Lindse.y. They treated us fairly and respectfully. Jack and all the staff from June till September were fantastic.
Yes they started hiring women, some rude girls, and they were sure to know they were rude to me. The managers and waiters cane to our aid and somehow they’re tone changed in no time realizing we were regulars and spent lots of money there EVERYDAY. Next day she came to ask me if I needed anything and I basically told her no, I can go to the bar and order from some nicer people and it’s quicker too. She walked away.
Hire them girls but for now, I probably will take my $80 or more a day somewhere else.
I was literally there the entire month of July as it’s a stop away from my work place.
Good luck and farewell .
I have some studio equipment I could run this audio through if you send me the file
Why is the issue not about how they were a “restaurant” operating as a bar?
Thankful to the owners of Eagle and Alexandres, respectfully, for taking a responsible approach.
This club is the worst ever. I can’t believe they are being so hateful and disrespectful toward gay people. I have heard that the gay bartenders that I know have quit I wouldn’t want to work for these bigots either. I hope they lose all there business. The female here has the most sense. But not these men. They don’t want gay people there. They don’t want our money.
It’s not a club.
Omg! They mentioned me at 4:30 about “not going to have someone with blue hair or giant nose rings making [gay comments] with Savannah… [blah blah]”. What an a$$! BAHAHAHAHAHA.
Medical employees are often significantly LGBT friendly; medical employees in a neighborhood that’s gayhood adjacent are likely to be significantly LGBT or LGBT friendly.
Amateur Hour leadership and not Happy Hour worthy, is no way to run this bar at this address.
Also, let’s keep in mind this has nothing to do with the staff. They are nice and very sweet people. Let’s please treat them with dignity and respect! It’s the owners that made those comments, not them.
Thank you. My husband is one of those workers.
They fired a friend of mine there because he was the gay bartender they were referencing. Take your business elsewhere. This business is complete crap.
Under this year’s Bostock case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court, your friend can file a lawsuit for being fired based on sexual orientation. Much simpler and faster, he can also file a city discrimination case. Those are filed with the Dallas Housing office.
How completely ignorant can you be. People can provide good service regardless of race, hair color or their sexuality.
If you guys were making in one day what you make in a week thanks to the LGBTQ community…wtf is the problem!? Idiots!
Homophobes have never been known to think rationally.
I worked for Tillotson some time ago. He was a thieving scumbag then. In fact they have a history of stealing tips from their employees. Rotten people all round.
Muddy Waters, the bar they previously own was shut down due to a drug raid….
Who cares!!!
LRPMQLP!!!
I am personal friends with the owners and they are allies to the LGBTQIA community. They have several gay friends like me and my wife. I don’t believe for a minute that Joe, who is battling cancer, was at the bar complaining about gay people. He appreciates the business.
Oh, honey… denial denial denial…. list to the tapes and you can clearly hear the conversation… our community is not stupid, they said they were struggling before us and now they will continue to struggle even more…
Homophobes…
Don’t try and do damage control lady, we can all hear the conversation well. Fk this place and fk the management. Way better place for LGBTQ+ to take their business to
Having gay friends doesn’t mean a person can never behave in a discriminatory way toward the LGBT+ community. Not wanting his business to turn into a gay bar and limiting the number of gay employees as a result is bigotry and discrimination. Maybe talk to your friend about his comments that were recorded? I think explaining how these attitudes hurt you and your community could affect change. You’re his friend. He already cares about you. Maybe your words could help him spread that care and concern he has for you to the whole queer community.
I’m gay and an investor. You’re not seeing through the storm, honey. Investors like me want to make money. PERIOD. We do not want anyone telling us to limit the scope of an audience. In the recording one dude is saying exactly that, that they don’t want to be a gay bar. But you chose the location in Oak Lawn?! 🤣 Take your bar elsewhere if you wanna make money. Don’t discriminate against people for any reason on employment issues. You have a lot to learn, Summer.
Listen to the tape – doesn’t sound like an ally to me!
Really? The tape says otherwise.
Writing is on the wall ( tape). Don’t make excuses for him. Also straight men are more tolerant of gay girls tha they are of gay men so of course he’s friendly to you and your wife.
I am sad to see a DISD social worker defending good old-fashioned bigotry.
What sort of message does that send to LGBTQ+ kids who depend on you to advocate for them?
Even in the most charitable light, cancer is no excuse for letting this happen in any establishment an “ally” operates (since he clearly is at the mercy of mysterious investors who actually own the place).
My guess is one of the investors – probably from Southlake – dropped in unannounced and sent a panicked email to the rest of the investor list when he was waited on by a homo that didn’t look sufficiently Ralph Lauren. Rest of the investors all agreed that isn’t what they signed up for, and poor little Joe Tillotson lacked the spine to tell his daddy’s friends where to go and what to do.
In summary, Joe Tillorson deserves all the stress he’ll endure trying to live this down.
You don’t know me orwhat I’ve spent my life doing while you do what?? I.don’t know you – you’re too chicken to use your name so you can be googled.
I am sure they will get their wish. Now Redfield’s will be a straight bar. Lets see if the straight community will rally around them to keep their doors open. Business owners forget that the LGBT community is made up of individuals with disposable income. We also have time to go out and enjoy bars as we are not ferrying kids around to various activities. Kudos to you Redfield’s now we know where not to spend our money.
I loved the Staff there. Most of them new me by name and I felt VERY welcomed. I know that they had no problem with us and appreciated the business and tips. Unfortunately because of these two guys I and all of my friends will not be seeing their happy faces any more or spending any money at any of their establishments.
What he said
They also own Barley’s house as well. Their Instagram list several other ones as well.
You are spreading lies bc of personal vendetta. This has not been true for a few years. Check your facts before you start trying to destroy people and businesses.
Check your own facts, Nicole. Or, maybe don’t just blindly trust someone with an incentive to deceive you.
According to DCAD, Joe Tillotson is still the owner of the Barley House property at 5612 SMU Blvd, acting as part of Barley House Partners and though his interest in Barley Properties.
http://dcad.org/AcctDetailBPP.aspx?ID=99061211800000000
Further, Scott Cecil’s connection is validated by this event he hosted there for fellow bubble alums
https://parkcities.bubblelife.com/community/hphs_alumni_association/library/35885630/key/3514213103/Its_Finally_SUMMER_HPHS_All_Classes_Reunion?image=350146201
Yay Facts!!!!
Scott Cecil is part owner of the Barley House and works there often. You’re correct!
Both places are anti gay.
I wonder if all the queer employees can sue for discrimination… just a thought since the ruling that people cannot be fired for being queer.
Unfortunately, Texas has no workplace protections for LGBTQ+ people. It is perfectly legal to fire someone in Texas for being gay.
Actually, thanks to a SCOTUS ruling issued this past June 16, in “Bostock v. Clayton County,” anti-LGBTQ discrimination is prohibited by FEDERAL LAW under Title VII of the federal Civil Rights Act. So even though there is no state law, such discrimination is prohibited by federal law and that includes in Texas.
Wow! Thank you for the clarifying!
This kind of proves that the vast majority of straight people are really dumb.
How does this prove that the majority of straight people are dumb.? If this is true than we are talking about 2 men correct. So because of these 2 bigots the rest of the straight people are also dump?
These tools do not deserve to even be in business. Any business. Gay, straight or whatever. They are so clueless.
Even when the woman points out that of 30 employees only 4 are gay, one of the men has a problem. (How they even know that 4 of 30 employees are gay is whole ‘nother conversation that they need to have.)
That their attitudes are so far off from what they should actually be concentrating on very concerning.
If I had a restaurant/bar in 2020 that had any clientele, I would be so grateful. These guys need to go back to whatever they were doing before because they are idiots running this business.
Who recorded this conversation?
the woman heard on the tape
“people are commenting”- what people? there’s no reviews anywhere that say the place is “too gay” there are no comments. Not hiring due to sexual orientation? morally disgusting and illegal to discriminate. I hope aclu or someone hears this and brings more heat- this is disgusting.
Scott = Scott Cecil
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/restaurants-bars/09-27-18-redfields-tavern-katy-trail-maple-avenue-district/
Listen to the audio tape.
So they said it was LIESSS…and then the audio comes out. LOL. Seriously, this is Dallas, and your bar is in Oak Lawn (Medical Dist..give me a break) But sure, no problem. No gays will ever drop a dime at your place.
It’s sad and telling that The Observer and DMN haven’t picked this up yet.
They’ve both been tipped off. And still ZERO.
Observation published article and DMN said they were sending reporters but that appears to be a lie
Their investors should be jumping up and down to capture the gay market in the Medical District. JR’s Dallas location once had the largest liquor sales in the state. What investor wouldn’t want a piece of that? So no, this is not just protecting investors or “failing.”. This is “gays are okay but not in my neighborhood” thinking.
As a husband of one of the gay people mentioned in the audio tape. I am greatful for all the support in getting this waste of a bar shut down. My husband is very dedicated and is an excellent bartender. I have never heard of any negative comments about my husband. He is really upset over this whole situation. He is currently looking for another job. If anyone knows of a gay bar or anything gay friendly, please let us know.
The Henry near Uptown
It’s a little concerning to me that Katy Trail ice House issued a statement in which they distance themselves from Joe and Scott but they didn’t say anything explicit about non-discrimination or welcoming LGBTQ.
Oh PLEASE! Let’s be honest here. If this bar started running a cheap drink special, male dancers and a drag show, you queens would break your necks trying to get in.
@JL….im hollering…LOL!!!!!!!! now that’s what the yunggins call KIR (Keeping it Real)
LOL, the only thing that bothered me was that bald headed bat eared creature perched on a stool selling drugs. He lowers the tone of every bar he sells drugs in Angry druggies waiting for their fix.
He sort of looked like this
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RpeUT2wiB1k/UGwlDUeR9MI/AAAAAAAANjA/fNvLplf6kqg/s1600/human-yoda-1.jpg
if you cut the bass around 200hz maybe 400 hz even, and cut some of the highs around 8k, you’ll get better audio.
Well, looks like the will be going out of business fairly soon. smfh.
Sadly a gay patrons money should spend the same as a straight persons money. We will continue to support the Ivy where they are welcoming and appreciative of anyone’s and everyone’s business .