- Anti-gay terrorist Scott Lively
The New York Times reports that three American evangelists went to Uganda to preach against homosexuality. The result was the proposed gay and lesbian genocide law.
The three presented themselves as experts on homosexuality.
The Times reports, “The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how ‘the gay movement is an evil institution’ whose goal is ‘to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.’”
The three are Scott Lively, Caleb Lee Brundidge and Don Schmierer.
The state department needs to investigate the three and remove their passports until their role in promoting this genocide is determined. If they are found to have instigated and even helped write this murderous law, they should be detained as terrorists.
They should be assassinated. Chased. Hounded. Let them spend their remaining years in fear. Run for your lives haters….
These three are trying to distance themselves from the crisis but they are guilty of shouting fire in the theater of Ugandan hatred. From a New York Times article a minister who attended the conference is quoted as saying, “What these people have done is set the fire they can’t quench….”
They must be held accountable and any blood will be on their hands. Enough from these right wing fundamentalists!
Write to the State Department headquarters in Washington (address it either to Sec. of State Hillary Clinton) or else to the undersecretary for African Affairs.
Write to the US Embassy in Kampala, Uganda.
Demand investigation of the overseas activities (in Uganda, in Russia, in Latvia) of Scott Lively, Caleb Lee Brundidge and Don Schmierer in promoting persecution of people based on sexual orientation and/or gender identity.
MarkD, I totally agree. It is time for the cult of hate to come to an end.
For anyone to call for these ignorant fools to be “assassinated” is absolutely despicable. While we can rightfully and forcefully disagree with the stupid views of the lunatic fringe, calling for violence is a disgrace and is in violation of the terms of service of this website.
I think we need to be careful how the facts are reported and possibly making a call to action. Come on. Who are we to label anyone as a terrorist or say that they are responsible for genocide?
This story reminds me of some of the Pro Life appeals where names of doctors are publicized and extremists murder physicians who perform a legal procedure.
Hunter has the right idea and the rest of us need to move away from hateful thoughts and actions.
I’m surprised more news on this modem day genocide has not circulated more broadly.
These criminals need to be prosecuted as terrorists indeed.
The same nonsensical messages of fear and hatred are being spread right here in our own fair city. The source: First Baptist Church of Dallas, arguably the most hate-mongering congregation in the history of humankind.
I said they should be investigated as terrorists. (A terrorist is someone whose goal is to cost the lives of innocent people they do not know).
The evidence is clear that they are the instigation behind the genocide legislation. Their visit, their talks prompted the writing of this proposed law that would kill gays and lesbians and jail their families and friends.
Their passports should be pulled just based on the amount of headache they have caused and time wasted for the state department. Secretary Clinton and her deputies have spent endless hours trying to clean up the mess these enemy combatants have created. For no other reason, they should not be permitted to travel to other countries causing problems for ours – not to mention the loss of life these “religious” men have and will be responsible for.
The caption below the photo is “Anti-gay terrorist Scott Lively.”
I’m sure I wouldn’t agree with one thing that Lively, Brundidge or Schmierer would preach.
What is freedom of speech?
What is freedom of religion?
Agree with David T. As far as I’m concerned it’s about getting this genocide issue top of mind. If “Terrorist” is the key phrase to get there, so be it.
These goons have no problem using references such as “homosexuals rape and attack the children” as a means to gain attention.
You can claim the higher ground if you like and I get it, but I’ll be right there at ground level.
Muslims want to kill infidels. Christians want to kill fags. Nothing will happen to these three because their excuse will be they are doing “work of god”. Assassinate them. Make them live in the world of fear they’ve built for an entire country of people.
So now some here think we should live in a world where people should be killled for their views, even though they are ignorant and inflammatory views. Blaming the gun for the murder isn’t the answer. The people who are responsible for the Ugandan horror are the Ugandan people who invited these morons, gave them visas to enter the country, and then elect leaders who tolerate this crap.
People should really think about their thought process on this – do we assume because these people are black Africans, that they cannot think for themselves and are just robots under the control of white American extremists? Sounds racist to me. Check your assumptions!
This was a two day conference. This country and it’s people don’t need any encouragement. These three Americans don’t show up and this still happens. It is always fun to blame the West for Africa’s issues, though. I’m sure Uganda was one big Castro district before colonization…
Why do we keep bashing the only major religion that has lead to lower birth rates, stable – charitable governments, TOLERANCE, scientific freedom and ultimately for many agnosticism or atheism? Last time I looked, Midtown Atlanta was booming. If you’ve spent one self-flagellating second all furious with some Southern white redneck Christian bigot the media fed you instead of researching real problems in the world for gays then you are to blame for Uganda’s problems because your priorities and instincts are obviously way out of whack.
You should separate the “mind my own business Christians” from the “Christian Taliban”. The above three are the latter and the topic of conversation.
Careful on not glorifying too much the religion once responsible for the death of millions people. However, I agree that with few exceptions, Christian radicals are somewhat under control in this country thanks in large part by separation of church/state laws.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Edward – yes, a two day conference. Enough time to stoke hatred and write legislation that would make genocide the law. And I don’t see the word Christian anywhere in my post. Sounds like a guilty conscience on your part. I believe in personal responsibility and these three terrorists certainly bear plenty of responsibility, which is why they are going on right-wing radio talk shows to back pedal.
However, my main point is that anyone who abuses their American passport the way these three terrorists did, causing the state department to work overtime to stop a potential genocide, should have their passports pulled and should be investigated for their terrorist activities.
By the way, Lively is known as a Holocaust revisionist as well. His discredited book, “The Pink Swastika” removes guilt from Hitler, Goebbels and other Nazis and places it on gays and lesbians. Somewhere in there he also makes an excuse for the murder of the Jews because of acceptance of homosexuality.
This terrorist has condoned genocide before. He’s doing it again. Edward, there is nothing Christian about this man. He’s simply a terrorist.
I find it odd how lively complains of hate and violence. He is EASILY responible for more rape and murder than any American mass murderer … and he should be charged with such.
@HGB
Are the Ugandans mindless robots?? No, but they are ready to kill others because of their own ignorance and most will believe any absurd anti-gay lie Lively says (Just like people in America were once so easily convinced to hunt down witches at the suggestion any loudmouth rouser). The difference is that Lively should know better. He wants death and terror, and he has played a significant part in promoting his wishes.
PS: If freedom of speech extended to the levels you claim, Hitler would similarily not have been a criminal for “just” egging on the Germans. I can’t see why Lively gets a clear card …. do you have to have Jews as well as gays killed??
Jake, you’re right about the ignorance in Uganda. My post was very clear that the Ugandans are the ones pulling the triggers, passing the laws, and are ultimately responsible. Also clear that Lively and crew are reprehensible. The Hitler commment is droll rhetoric from PoliSci 101, but there’s a big difference between the elected leader of a (then) fascist country inflicting mass genocide on his own people and neighboring people, versus this situation with some crackpot haters from another country being INVITED in by people who already had an agenda. The responsibilty is with the Ugandans, as much as some people want to fight hate with hate against the religious fanatic whack jobs. Hold Lively accountable for his nonsense with free speech and protest. But I stand by my view that calling for him to be assassinated is appalling. It’s disgusting to me that no one here has shared in my condemnation of that.
And I will add, Voice editor, for the second time, it is in clear violation of your terms of service.
He almost single-handedly made their leaders believe that gays are paid, by foreign money, to follow a supposed agenda to rape their children and bring them into homosexuality (in an attempt to destroy their culture). If you don’t realize the consequences of that in an African context, then that’s your issue. Even if the death penalty isn’t implimented, there have already been multiple gay torture-murders and lesbian rapes that only happened because of lively’s words. If you directly and knowingly influence people (not to mention ignorant people) to murder others, your not innocent yourself … by any means (even legally) … even if you were not elected and are having others killed. He/they couldn’t get it done in America, though they are saying and hoping for incredibly similar things here, so it was exported.
I don’t think Lively should be assasinated, but I do think he is guilty of the solicitation of mass murder, and/or terrorism, and should have his day in court.
HBG, agreed that calling for assassination goes beyond terms of service. Let’s keep the discussion rational. At this point, Lively needs to be investigated. I understand the outrage. I’m the one who labeled him a terrorist here, clearly to bring attention to his murderous intentions. But dealing with him through legal channels is appropriate. First and foremost, pull his passport so he cannot travel around the world to incite murder. Then investigate him and charge him with terrorism if the evidence holds.
I am Ugandan. In our culture homsexuality is taboo. Even before these white idiots/terrorists/religious simple minded blood thirsty…whatever pleases you to call them came for the conference being talked about, being gay was punishable by stoning to death in the pre-colonial era, and punishable by death or life imprisonment in the current penal code written by the British Colonialist. Times change and may be the people of Uganda will one day accept the fact that it is normal and okay for a man to mount another man…trust me the target here is men. Lesbians will be frowned upon but won’t get as much stick. Bottom line, it is the culture and the people, not the laws in place. Even if a pro-gay law, like that in New- Hampshire was passed in Uganda, gays in Uganda would still be not be accepted in the community. Atleast, not now. I am Educated, well travelled, and i understand urguments from a Human Rights perspective but i still think it is a disorder to be gay and i think it can be corrected.
JBM. Good contribution but all I read here is you subscribe to the notion of mob rule and not the rule of law.
Basically, the “mob” frowns on homosexuality so therefore laws of decency are irrelevant. I would argue that it’s time for Ugandan’s to advance to the next level of human civilization and leave cultural myths behind.
The only way to do that is through government leadership. Evidently there is not only mob rule but lack of leadership. Thanks for highlighting your insight to ensure Uganda would be the last place on earth I would visit or support.
Thanks for the reply JBM. I of course realize ugandas historical agression towards gays, and I don’t claim these particular foreigners spawned the heart of anti-gay attitudes there, but the western influence there on this topic is vast (and not just in the fact that it was much better there for gays before the British came). Almost every legal argument against them coming from Uganda, every far-flung lie, mimics almost exactly the more vile American language of now and decades past … and I don’t think the particularily vapid craziness of the likes of Scott Lively could be believed without those already strong ties.
Even without the laws against them I would agree that the culture would cause them problems, but laws like that proposed here surely don’t help and make any kind of progress difficult (if not illegal) … and that level of state-run fascism is hardly ever voluntarily or peacefully oveturned (as, again, even questioning it is arguably illegal).
And I’m not going to get started with an argument on “corrective” measures. I have learned to deal with peoples insistance on that, at least as much so as the belief in a 6000 year old earth.
PS: I just think it’s a bad policy for a country that relies so heavily on the handouts of others to support these kinds of things. If they want to kill and jail their own people on such grounds, then that’s their choice I guess … but don’t expect others to support them in that.