For several months, we’ve been lectured about how “tranny” is a bad word in and of itself — so bad, in fact, that Israel Luna’s film Ticked-Off Trannies with Knives should be banned from the Tribeca Film Festival. Trans activist Kelli Busey, on her April 10, 2010 post on her Planetransgender blog, used the following headline:
So you’d pretty much have to assume that, for Busey, the use of the word “tranny” is, in every instance, a horrendous, hateful, bigoted thing.
Unless, of course, you’re a group Busey likes.
Busey’s post today on Planetransgender mentions Translations, a trans film festival in Seattle, Wash. At the bottom of the article , Busey lists other links readers might like. And one of them is to a post Busey made last September.
To a trans film festival in San Francisco.
Called Tranny Fest.
Yep, it’s inexcusable that Tribeca allowed a film with the word “tranny” to play at all; but it is actually a point of pride — something worth reporting in a seemingly positive light — that the city by the bay launches a festival that uses the word “tranny” just as prominently.
So the question is, if we can make an exception for one group — and that exception was made eight months ago — why isn’t it made for someone else, who’s local?
Seems to me Luna is owed a big apology. Or readers of Planetransgender an explanation for how Busey could possible cite a trans fest with a pejorative in its title and not have page after page devoted to it being closed down.
And where’s GLAAD’s outrage?
OWNED
This strikes me as less than honest. From reading this update, one would think that the only objection that has been made over Mr. Luna’s film is the title.
As I understood the story, people objected not only, or necessarily to, the title of the film, but rather what some would perceive as a trivialization of violence against transgendered people.
I thought that the film, or trailer, mentioned real life hate crimes and some felt that was in bad taste and trivialized the violence.
I think all of us adults know that it is not just, or not only, the use of some certain word, but the intention and context.
This post from Arnold strikes me more like a petty tit for tat with someone who criticized the film, rather that a healthy discussion of when and why the term “Tranny” is sometimes offensive.
What slop! Arnold, give it up!
Why are you using this platform to attack a transgender activist because you disagree with her? How about a relevant and fair conversation with her to ask why she feels there is a difference between a cisgender man using the term to market his exploitative film and its use as a name for a transgender film festival featuring films by and for transgender people on transgender topics?
Or are you simply more interested in smearing someone who has criticized a man of whom you’ve been a relentless defender?
This is one of the sorriest posts I’ve ever read on this blog. Act out your personal vendetta elsewhere. If the Voice wants to retain any semblance of credibility on community issues, maybe they ought to at least pretend to be impartial and give each side of the debate a chance to air their concerns and defend themselves, a luxury that has been generously afforded Israel Luna.
This is a sorry posting. However, right is right and wrong is wrong and activists, whether they be gay, lesbian, and or transgender, can’t have it both ways.
Kelli Busey is a good person who has meant well in her campaign against TOTWK and I would hope that Instant Tea and the writer of this story isn’t blind to this fact.
Arnold, you’re better than this. You went so far as to hunt down an article from a year ago, which on Blogger-based websites is not a quick exercise, just to defend Israel? Why? He’s making out like a bandit on all this publicity.
I do wonder though, would you be as gun-ho supportive of this film if you didn’t know Israel or the ladies in it? Or if it wasn’t filmed on the strip?
What a load of crap. Do we need to have some remedial political training for Texan gay fellas? Perhaps you can ask around, check and see if anyone remembers the 90’s ACT-UP and Queer Nation activism that included reclaiming language – like “queer”.
What is the DV’s investment in using the word “tranny”? Seriously, are gay men in such a desperate need to call trans women something other than women or trans?
Context matters! I would expect a journalist to understand that better than anyone. There is a difference between a cis gender man using a pejorative term for trans people and a transgender organization reclaiming the same pejorative. There is an honest discussion that needs to take place about how gay men communicate with the transgender community. Playing “gotcha” games that divorce themselves from context adds nothing to that discussion. I expect more from the Voice.
Wow, this is pretty shoddy journalism. Wait, are you really a journalist?
Cuz, like, don’t journalists ask people what the difference might be, instead of relying on stuff like “So you’d pretty much have to assume …?” Don’t journalists, I don’t know, interview people?
Or do they just post smear jobs these days in vile, transphobic attempts to attack trans activists?
I guess we know which one it is after all, huh?
Why do you have so much invested in calling trans people “trannies,” Arnold? Why your hate for trans people? I’m not even going to say people “have to assume” — I’m just going to ask directly. Why?
Why would you do this?
I think it’s perfectly valid, given Kelli Busey’s comments on her blog, that she be held to a standard of intellectual consistency.
If the title of a film with transgender artists cannot appear in a film Festival when it contains a word, then an ENTIRE Film Festival using the word in the same “take back the paradigm” fashion as “Queer Nation” and “Dykes on Bikes” use those terms, is equally inconsistent and unsupportable.
This is the problem when we become Word Police It leads to Thought policing.
example-“Well a cisgender person can’t use that word because they MEAN something derogatory by it.”
When you assume unto yourself the role of Arbiter of Free Speech you have to be able to walk the walk ALL the time.
Girls, girls, girls… Didn’t we learn this lesson in kindergarten? : Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you.
Steve, you perfectly make my point for me.
I don’t get to call my lesbian pals “dykes” because the word does not equally apply to me. I don’t have a history with the word positive or negative. It’s not mine to claim or reclaim. Very simple stuff – honestly.
To those gay men who dearly love throwing tranny around…
What does it mean to you? When is it used and who do you use it in reference to? When Sara Silverman says “When I dress up I look like a Tranny” – what does she mean? What would you estimate her look t be? Do you think it’s flattering to trans women?
The person who directs that event (it’s actually just a handful of films, not much of a festival) is a trans woman–which is different from someone who isn’t trans using the word in a film title (and again, that ISN’T my primary objection to TOTWK). That doesn’t mean I either accept the name of the festival nor like it.
Regardless of the director’s identity, I don’t like the festival title and, even though I live in SF, I won’t attend it. I’ve heard a heard a number of trans women say they will not attend that event as long as it has that title. It is, in fact, overwhelmingly attended by assigned female at birth genderqueer and transmasculine people, not trans women.
The first year of the Trans March in San Francisco (the nation’s first) it was called “The Tranny March”. It was mostly boycotted by a large number of trans women because of that name, which they changed in the second year. About a 18 mos. ago, when they had a picket line against the HRC Fundraising Dinner at the St. Francis hotel in SF, the organizers used the word “tranny” in the posters. In the end, very few trans women participated in that protest even though that community certainly had negative feelings against the HRC and Solmonese.
I would never say all trans women have negative feelings against that term (obviously, the director of the festival, Shawna Virago, does not) but there is a sizable number of women in the trans community who are greatly offended by that term, and whether cissexual straight people, gay men, ftms, trans masculine people, drag queens or anyone else tells us… we’re going to be offended by it, and none of you get to tell us otherwise, nor tell us to lighten up, or it’s only a word, it’s sex worker positive, blah, blah, blah… or all the other ways I’ve heard people dismiss our concerns. If the cissexual LGB community wants to have some input into how the general population refers to them, then grant us the same right.
@laughriotgirl- Your comment isn’t logical or cogent. (Frankly, it’s incoherent?!)
We don’t use words describing others that are derogatory because we wish to be sensitive to their feelings.
HOWEVER, when different members of any group decide that references are or are not powerful/insulting/shameful and then present them in a fictional work we’re into Free Speech and artistic expression territory. I don’t believe for example it would be right to call for removal of songs from distribution wherein African-American artists use the N-word.
I believe, it’s perfectly permissible to boycott a film and express how upset you may be by it’s content. (Even though how anyone can do that that has NOT seen the film is beyond me. The word “exploitative” has been thrown around a great deal and I think that’s completely indeterminate since the film has not been screened much.) But to call for a films “removal” from Tribeca or the QCinema festival is to tell filmmakers and artists that their ideas are not to be heard at all.
Also, the parsing of words to the “Nth degree” is a very tricky business. To react without determining context, intention, etc… is to become a knee-jerk censor.
Finally, having public disagreements over who’s more victimized than whom is a lose/lose.
Dallas voice attacks me. Again. At least this time they had the guts to call me out by name.
Yes I did publish that story about ‘TrannyFest’I was asked to do so by a transgender person living in San Francisco who deeply wanted the this event to succeed.
In San Francisco it seems unlike most of the rest of the county, the word “Tranny” is more accepted by transgender people. It is used often casually within the transgender community while addressing each other with dignity and respect.
GAY PEOPLE, READ THIS!
Within the transgender community we occasionally use the word tranny to show affection in the same way some of my black friend call each other “Nigger”.
Like the ‘T’ word, the ‘N’ word often makes me uncomfortable. I have been called the ‘N’ and ‘T’ word on occasion by my friends and when they do, my chest pumps up with pride, because they are acknowledging me as an equal and as a confidant. I am proud to be considered their equals because in my heart I know I can only admire many of there qualities and aspire to emulate them.
That is what dignity is. That is what respect for yourself and others earn you.
I recoil in disgust when white people gather in little groups and hate on black people calling them “Niggers”. God I despise that. I recoil in disgust when gay men gather in there little building to hate on transgender people. Same thing.
Click this link https://bit.ly/cmaIYk to read more on planetransgender about the “Dallas Voice Belching Trans Toxic Trash again”
Steve, for your example to apply – you would have to make the songs by White people since the writer/director and producer are not members of the insulted group. Either that, or you are under the impression that gay men and trans women are the same thing. Care to clarify?
Part of free speech is the obligation to be criticized. Myself, and members of the trans community who have been vocal about this film (as well as other media depictions of trans women by cis people) have been very careful to criticize the images released via marketing or clips released.
the film is billed as “transpolitation” – The ‘ploitation part is “exploitation”. People calling the film exploitative only need to read the marketing of the film.
Given that I haven’t called for anything to be removed, I won’t even address your tired “censorship” argument. I will say that since the first trans women spoke up about the film title and initial trailer, we have been accused of “censorship”. Without actually, you know, calling for anything to be censored.
I asked for what “Tranny” means to you – your context – your intent. Then I asked what it means in a very general sense. “I look like a tranny” or “Hot Tranny Mess” – what do they mean in a greater social context? Are they complimentary to trans women? Why are gay men so invested in using Tranny?
Finally, who is talking about more victimized? I’m sure we can have a nice discussion about that, but frankly in this particular case we have:
1) a shoddy article directly “calling out” a trans activist
2) the author is a cis man who is invested in using language the trans activist finds offensive
3) the language in question is not used against cis men, but is used against trans women
Who is being victimized here?
@Kelli Anne Busey- You must be able to see that my argument that you are intellectually inconsistent is born out by your admitting that, “… Yes I did publish that story about ‘TrannyFest’I was asked to do so by a transgender person living in San Francisco…’ If your problem is with a word and you decry it’s use then DO SO. Consistently, courageously and constantly. Because if you can endorse it’s use when it’s from a friend of Kelli Anne Busey’s but NOTwhen you’re not then you lose credibility- as a blogger at least. admittedly a low threshold for journalistic practice. It also highlights that you make anecdotal points rather than many objective ones. For each of your, ‘I’ve talked to many/a transgender person who…”, there are the same and equally valid remarks from; artists performing in the piece in question, other activists and transgender persons, etc… holding views contrary to your own.
You “called out” The Voice when you made your remarks about their coverage and they have returned the favor by pointing out your inconsistent and illogical “publishing” habits. I think, you should attempt to reason through your ethics rather than comment solely from emotionalism. Failing that, we often miss the “beam in our own eyes.”
Also, you and @laughriotgirl have got to rid yourselves of your tendency to homophobic tirade, and cisphobic paranoia and belittlement. I read angry hate-filled rants not dispassionate, defensible responses.
Long comments from both of you, but still no consistency or much of a broad and informed view of all the issues involved.
Golly Steve, I’m sure you have a MUCH broader and informed view of all the issues involved here… care to elaborate?
Is ‘Cisphobia” in the same class as “Heterophobia” ?
@laughriotgirl,
i think I’ve elaborated on my objections pretty thoroughly.
I can recap for ya’.
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1) A publication can run a story about an inconsistency in another media outlets published position.
2) Comments about a fictional work should be directly related to the context, the content and the quality of the work lest we do damage to the Free Speech which has allowed us to advance the LGBT agenda.
3) Ascribing motives to cisgender folks, gay folks, trans artists, or any other class or group, based on incomplete information, and informed only by one’s anecdotal experience and bias, is wrong. This only leads to inaccurate, unfair and often untruthful remarks.
4) Self-appointed “activists” who presume unto themselves the mantle of spokesperson must posses strategic and tactical skill coupled with political acumen. These must be put to the purpose of advancing our cause, not exposing the LGBT communities to ridicule through nonsensical claims, poorly reasoned comments and nonexistent distinctions.
Hope that helps laughriotgirl!
In answer to your other question- As “phobia” describes, “… irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against…”, “something”, both phobias you list, and the many others, are “in the same class.” The “too be avoided” class I think.
@ Steve Friday
Are you transgender?
I do not have to validate myself to you. I am a OUTSPOKEN transgender advocate. That is who I am Mister. That bothers you a lot does it not?
Tough.
This is trans and racial 101 served up especially for you.
https://bit.ly/cmaIYk “Dallas Voice Belching Trans Toxic Trash again”
Bullies and posers are always ultimately cowards.
(BTW- Kelli Anne, it’s, “I am AN outspoken transgender advocate.”, not, “… a OUTSPOKEN…”
@ Steve Friday
@Steve Friday
Why are you not responding to the men who commented because they are so incredulous that other men would be so vested in degrading transgender people with the word ‘tranny’.
They are men. They scare you don’t they steve.
Like I said.
I do not have to validate myself to you. I am a OUTSPOKEN transgender advocate. That is who I am Mister. That bothers you a lot does it not?
Tough.
This is trans and racial 101 served up especially for you.
https://bit.ly/cmaIYk “Dallas Voice Belching Trans Toxic Trash again”
kelli Anne Busey is a nut case, she is a complete hypocrite…for christ’s sake she even believes that 9/11 is the fault of white rich american men lol.
She called Robert Di Nero a racist, wishes death on her “enemies”…..kelli is a disgrace to the trans community.
she’s lived the vast majority of her life as a man, was able to afford her transition because of the life she lead as a man ….she is no leader in my trans world or of any trans women that i know or respect.
THANK YOU FOR EXPOSING KELLI ANNE BUSEY FOR WHAT SHE IS.
@ Daniel Cates:
I’ve been following (with more than hidden disgust) your blogs of hate towards Trans people, laughter at them resounding within your words as if to say: “nah nah naaah, you trannies will never get recognition and “respect” of your identities from me and the Dallas Voice, especially from society as well…”
Have you forgotten that not too long ago, society and a large part of the Texas community that you reside in, would have run you and other gay ilk out of the state? It is a relatively short time ago, that gay men similar to you, were battered with the word “faggot”? Oh! I’m sorry… I don’t have license to use the aforementioned pejorative word, because I’m not a gay man, I’m a woman of Transsexual history and Intersex birth. Why I couldn’t even use it in my own blog, or use it against gay men in our organization’s new magazine: “Gender Voices”, just as the Dallas Voice feels free and “powerful” to keep utilizing “Tranny” in it’s articles about Trans people, articles that are really meant to stigmatize and devalue us and our rightful genders and human beings. Nope, you and the Dallas Voice feel that you have every right to drown us as Trans people out, right along with Kelli Ann Busey.
The affair perpetrated by the Dallas Voice and you, Daniel Cates, “slightly” reeks with the stink of similar publications and writings against a group of human beings circa 1930’s – early 1940’s Nazi fortified Germany, right before a call for genocide moved ever forward while a mute populace watched. From the bowels of forgotten history, the same type of hate and subsequent fallout from it, was repeated in 1990’s Nigeria. The mocking, the attacks, the muted attempt to again stomp us and our very valid identities out under your literary feet, is a reminder that rivals even the clearest case of déjà vu.
Hopefully, when yourself and the Dallas Voice begin to turn the knob to “on” for that virtual gas chamber for us and Kelli Ann Busey, you may in a moment of clear enlightenment, r:member that it was once you and gay men who crowded that gas chamber in the minds of the original haters.
@Steve Friday:
Guess what? Pejorative words do hurt AND kill when stuck in the minds of those who would like to see Trans people disappear with speedy dispatch. They hurt when used purposefully as insult and intent, by a number of a supposedly understanding social minority such as gay males. They do kill public respect of a group of oppressed people, when used repeatedly to belittle and stigmatize that group by a “mature” publication such as the Dallas voice. But the Dallas Voice and Daniel also kill their own chance to earn respect of a segment of the LGBT “community” that has supported it since the Stonewall uprising, only to be continuously spat in the face and mocked by the rest of it and people such as you.
@ Grace Alexis:
The only person that has been exposed is Grace Alexis. Plenty of Trans people have been able to afford transition because of the previous life they’ve lead. Even other Trans people who have not been able to afford to complete their transition according to however they define that, look up to Kelli as a light within the Trans community that you speak of.
The only person, who is presently disgracing herself, is you. By heaping endless hypocritical defensive attacks against Kelli Ann Busey and helping to promote an obviously stigmatizing film created by those who only see you and Trans women as a tool and misogynist symbol, screams: “Disgrace Alexis”
The attacks both by the author of the article (he does not justify the title “journalist”) and by others such as “Steve Friday” are examples of the worst kind of personal attack masquerading as legitimate comment.
Objections to the film in question are not merely centred around the deliberate use of a word that is designed to be offensive when used by people from outside the transgendered community, but also on the film-makers description of the film as “transploitation” and the attempts to denigrate the experience of trans people. That’s right, whether Steve or Arnold care to admit it, trans people are first and foremost people.
Steve tries to justify the attacks by his statement “A publication can run a story about an inconsistency in another media outlets published position”. A publication can also spew other forms of hatred – that doesn’t justify shoddy pseudo-journalism.
Does Steve apply his reasoning about inconsistency to himself or the article’s author? Apparently not.
As for the “words can never hurt me” contribution – no the words themselves will not hurt you, but the manner in which they are spoken can and the result of their utterances can hurt and even kill.
There is no place in society for the sort of hatred being manifest by the original author and his defenders here.
Amen Robert Hull!!
For a publication that purports to be the voice of an LGBT community, I found this article–and many of the resulting comments–to be remarkably anti-“T”. Perhaps the editors would do the rest of us a favor and remove the “T” from their byline.
What’s sad is that many of the “G” folks here seem to have forgotten their own history, that they themselves were once in the same spot we (the “T”) are in now.
At the same time, that’s actually encouraging, because it gives me hope that we will one day also reach a point where we can forget the pain and hate we suffer today. I’m not saying we SHOULD forget that, mind, because clearly–as evidenced by the authors of this article and every anti-Trans comment here–we absolutely should not…but being at a point where we have the option would be nice. 🙂
God bless you, Robert, and you Ari, and you Kelli, and every person here who sees trans people as PEOPLE first and foremost, for showing the rest of the world that Mr. Jones’ (and these other hate-filled individuals’) collective and individual “voice” is not representative of the vast majority of the LGBT community.
@ Daniel Cates
OWNED
@Steve Friday
Pointing out spelling errors is always the last resort of someone out of ideas. No one took it upon themselves to point out your many spelling and punctuation errors. If you’ve got nothing to say then stop posting, please.
Steve relies on a system of edicts from no one and for no one. His ‘shoulds’ and ‘musts’ have no ‘cogent’ reasoning aside from ‘I said so.’
Now I address your numerated ‘recap.’
1) Do you consider it appropriate for a publication (which huddles under the umbrella of legitimate media) to run a story which is blatantly misleading and biased, without doing any further research in order to settle a political score? I don’t. Can you explain why you do, rather than presenting flawed reasoning as fact?
2) Who says criticism of a fictional work should relate to context, content and quality? If it wasn’t whatever god the critic happens to believe in, it makes no difference to anyone. How has criticism of TTWK veered from your edict? Why aren’t the political motivations of the author fair game when criticizing a work of fiction? Subject positions matter, dude.
3) Wrong? According to whom? Does anyone ever have complete knowledge? Do you dismiss intuitive and embodied knowledge? The kind of knowledge that is unquantifiable, yet just as valid as it is empirical knowledge reasoned from an embodied subject position? It seems to me this reasoning is absolutely necessary and the ONLY data we can rely on to begin discussions about bias and discrimination. Yes, this knowledge may not always be accurate, which is why we must FAIRLY and OPENLY begin discussions about these experiences. Remember also that no subject position is neutral. Not even a gay white cisgender man’s. It is not rational and dispassionate.
4) Why must transgender activists behave in the way YOU see fit? Your dismissal of transgender persons’ concerns as ‘nonsensical’ reaffirms your bias. Who is to decide who is fit to speak their mind and experiences? I do not recognize your authority.
Are you really oblivious to the fact that throughout this thread you’ve done nothing but try to regulate the objections and conversation used by transgender activists? Do you not see this as yet another exercise of power over the lives of the marginalized?
Amen Dianna and thank you sister.
It was not long ago when the DV banner read “The premier news source for North Texas Gay and Lesbians” or something to that effect.
Recently the “T” was added and I thought I saw a real effort by the DV to be inclusive.
It’s a shame that the labor of many quality DV journalists in the last year to heal the wounds created by articles like the one written by the author of this tragic post has all been for naught.
lol again kelly is a nut job who has to recruit people to post comments in her defense lol.
The VAST majority of Transsexuals are not offended by the word “tranny” which is why you saw only 5-10 people show up to the protest in NYC…NYC which probably has the largest population of transsexuals in this nation.
and the reason I question her late transition is because she exhibits behavior and traits similar to Anne Lawrence…these people who live the vast majority of their lives as men have no business stepping in as self described leaders in our community trying to dictate to us what it means to be a trans woman.
I’ve lived it..everything i have ever achieved in my life has been as a woman, my education every job, every promotion EVERYTHING…kelli and those like her need to get at the end of the line and stop trying to elbow their way to the front of the line when it comes to being a leader in the trans community…she still has a LOT to learn about what it means to be a woman.
@Ari
I think there is a huge difference between promoting the film TOTWK and not feeling the need to boycott it.
If you feel the need to call me faggot, by all means go ahead, I wont stop you. Its a word and words hold the power you give them. If I wanted to get upset everytime I heard a 14yo boy say THATS GAY I would spend my life in total hate. You and Kelli can choose to live your lives that way. BUT PLEASE dont chastize others for seeing the brighter side of things. Sometimes ignorance needs to be excepted and we need to move on. Not everyone is going to like or except everyone else. There ignorance, oh well, my day still goes on. How is yours going?
It seems to be that many of the “OUTSPOKEN advocates” do not seek real change but are addicted to the fight. When they protested the films title, it got blurred, not good enough. The trailor showed names of real violent acts against the community, they were edited out, not good enough. It seems that when a matter of great dispute is changed in the activists favor, like ashley love said “its just crumbs”. It was a huge deal when it wasnt changed but now that it is it is reduced down to nothing? It is very easy to see how the activists are almost against change. As long as things stay they way they are, they get to play there self appointed role of the victim.
Everyone is allowed to speak there mind, and Grace is no exception. Nothing “heaping or endless” about it, it seemed like facts and or her opinion. Did you check them out? Just like Kelli is able to speak her mind on every blog she can, do not get upset over others who exersice that same right. And trying to use Sladerous terms at Grace, is that not a more specialized to Grace perjorative slur like tranny, nigger, faggot, dyke? Instead of being pretty general, you got rather specific with the name calling. Please Ari, dont preach to us and turn around and do what you criticize others for doing. Hypocrite!
I have seen movies that have had parts that I didnt care for, didnt like or were not my thing. I have never once seen a movie that I didnt like, and think, THE DIRECTOR OF THIS MOVIE BETTER BE JUST LIKE ME OR I WILLL PROTEST IT. CIS is another one of those hero robotic words that the activists keep in ther ebacl pocket to throw out as a way to try and shut up someone who has a view that is different from theirs. Sometimes they are phrases. Look up at a.love post and see how many times she can thrown WE ARE NOT LAUGHING or MISOGINYSTIC or ITS LIKE THE MOVIE CRUSING (just to name afew). The best article I read was one that talked about crying wolf. The role of damsel in distress has been cast.
@ Dianna.
I have read alot of trans activists that already seperate LGB T. What I dont understand is the seperation is started by the activists, the hate started there when the reast of the group was disowned. So why cry now because you are not excepted by the group you ran from?
Grace, Your posts are very blunt, to the point, and always accurate. You give props where they are do and call shade when you see it. Your style sometimes covers up the fact that you know what you are talking about, but you so do and I think people over look that.
This is so true, being a trans woman when out and about I fear more how I will be received by gays than by non lgbt people. Some of the most hurtful things said to me for being trans has come out of the mouths of gay men. They talk as if they know our lives and history better than we ourselves do. I really do not trust gays very much at all and that’s just sad.
The gay men have been using trans folks for far to long and it needs to stop! As a trans woman I have never been a drag queen or a gay man. It’s an in our face insult to lump us in with all this fetish trash they keep selling the world in our name. Let us start using the word faggot and see how fast they cry foul. But then again maybe one of the reasons gay men use our names so much is due to how boring their own history actually is in comparison to ours…. A prime example took place in 1969 “Stonewall” is trans history not gay as they tell it. We need to take back our history from them too!!!
1969 — Sylvia Rivera (2 July 1951-19 February 2002) throws a bottle at New York City cops harassing patrons at Stonewall Inn on June 28, 1969; friend Marsha P. Johnson (1945 – July 6, 1992 — Johnson is one of the many we remember during the Transgender Day of Remembrance) and several others join in. The Stonewall Rebellion touches off the gay and lesbian liberation movements (in other re-tellings, Johnson throws the first projectile). A founding member of both the Gay Liberation Front and the Gay Activists Alliance, by 1974, those organizations would abandon Rivera, seeing transgender people as being an embarrassment and a political liability to the gay rights cause. By the 1990s, political gay and lesbian groups would denounce Rivera’s contribution, even denying at one point that she was present during the Stonewall Riots. Rivera gradually fell into alcoholism, and it wouldn’t be until the turn of the millennium that she would reemerge as a public figure.
So Mr. Wise Guy does the fact that African Americans us the N word with each other make it OK for non African Americans to make movies with that in the title and also use the word in their blogs to discus African Americans as non African Americans?
No! And no matter what you say you come out a bigot either way!
Coletta, you can in no way associate the same history with the ‘N” word to the word “TRANNY”.
the word tranny was first used BY TRANS WOMEN IN AUSTRALIA and is a shortened version of the word “transsexual”.
When trans women are beaten and attacked..the word “TRANNY” is not the word the attackers often use, if ever…when they use the word “tranny” they are acknowledging that we are not men and that would be a sign of evolved thought, most attackers are not that evolved…
most attackers call us “faggots”, “freaks” “MEN IN DRESSES”…not “tranny’….so to even suggest there is the kind of history associated with the “N” word also associated with the word “TRANNY” is complete nonsense and very dishonest.
Grace Alexis
You are so amusing.
Thank god I did not agree to be interviewed by you. This should serve as fair notice to other trans advocates who receive a seemingly innocuous invitation from Alexis to be interviewed.
I do believed De Niro’s indifference towards the transgender community was indicative of the white mans attitude that has resulted in Americans being so despised around the world.
We had the opportunity to introspective following 9/11 but instead we were led by w further into the pit.
I think you blamed ms Love of accusing De Niro of being a racist when you said “Ashley implies that De Niro is a racist “.
You keep making statements that would lead one to beleive I have lived my life with a white man’s privilege and you question the substance of my gender. I find this curious and a an attack on my person.
I will tell you about myself. Maybe you will stop making these wild accusations and name calling.
I begin transition sometime late December 1957 during my inception. The earliest recollection that I have of being comfortable with my gender expression was in 1964. I told my mother for the first time how wrong my name was. I explained, ‘I don’t mind becoming a woman as I grow older but I don’t know if I want to be black’. You see in my early years all of the oldest woman I knew where woman of color. I still remember the look on my mothers face. She sure thought I was the craziest baby she ever had! (maybe even a ‘nut job’) who knows:D
As far as a privileged life, no. I worked as a farm laborer picking apples, milking cows and working horses when I was not in class at my vocational agriculture school. After a stint in the Army I worked in steel mills and ended up driving a flatbed truck running steel and transitioning . Not a easy task. Ask any of my transgender sisters who are still on the road. I owned truck, ran my business out of it. I lived all but 30 days a year on the road struggling to find enough money to pay my bills, sleeping on dirt shoulders, going without showers for days, enduring the hateful looks in truck stops during the day and at night, afraid for my life as I slept surrounded by hundreds of men protected only by a thin 1/8 tin of my sleeper. I have endured hardships and deprivations you will never know Grace.
In 2007 I changed my gender marker and with that gained the confidence to become the woman I am transitioning into. I can asure you I did that on a shoestring.
So there you go.
Just for clarificaiton, The Stonewall was a trans only bar? From what I have read it was an open bar with mostly gay men, drag queens, hustlers and the homeless as most of there partons. From Stonewall Inn.
“Only a few transvestites, or men in full drag, were allowed in by the bouncers. The customers were “98 percent male” but a few lesbians sometimes came to the bar.”
The riots were started by drag queens. Either way, why do some feel the need to beef up the struggles life has to offur? This NO I HAVE IT WORSE concept is old and just shows who is in it just to complain and gain symphothy and who is in it for the grater good. . Why do I include the T in LGBT, Because as all 4 are minoritys, we have a better chance of true exceptance as a unified unit. What doesnt help is when the letters are fighting each other. Theres a whole lot of assuming going on. THOSE TRANNYS ALWAYS……THISE FAGGOTS ALWAYS DO……Still to me, they are words.
Not agreeing and scared to are way different. And I whole heartedly agree with your mother, “Nut job”. And that has not a thing to do about gender ID, it has to do with integrity, personality and they way to treat others. So, one of many words that can be used, but “Nut Job” is one that suits.
“the word tranny was first used BY TRANS WOMEN IN AUSTRALIA and is a shortened version of the word “transsexual”.”
I’m not going to get into a discussion of what the word means… obviously it has different meanings to different people. But as a matter of fact, the source of that quote about ‘Tranny” starting in Australia in the late 60s is from Kate Bornstein. Bornstein has admitted her only source for that information was from Aussie drag queen Doris Fish (AKA Philip Mills, who also lived in San Francisco where Bornstein met him). And Mills said it was used by both drag queens and trans women who were in Sydney’s drag scene. He also claimed in that era, that all the people in Australia who transitioned came through the drag scene (which is totally NOT true… maybe the people he knew). Can’t say that’s a terribly authoritative source.
Sorry for the derail.
Kelli i have never ever invited YOU to be interviewed on our show…EVER lol…you are a complete fruit cake..and as i thought, and accurately assumed, you transitioned three years ago..you are still an infant when it comes to being not only a woman but especially a trans woman.
I never said or even implied you where “privileged” , i implied you have lived the vast majority of your life as a man,,,which you just confirmed….
while you are in an outrage about a fictional movie and the word “tranny” there are thousands of young trans girls living on the streets, living on the edge of society but they are LIVING AS WOMEN because they could never live as a man…this is obviously something YOU CAN OR NEVER WELL UNDERSTAND, because you have NEVER ever had to make your way in this world as a woman or a trans woman…again 2007 you have a LONG LONG LONG way to go before you will even have a clue as to what it means to be a woman, that is exemplified by your
inability to prioritize what really is or should be the most important issues in the trans community.
now not only are you a proven nut case, you are a proven liar…because you have NEVER been invited to be interviewed on my show.
Gina, i love details the more knowledge the better lol…but you have to admit to compare the LONG history of the “n” word with the short history of the word “tranny” is ridiculous.
it’s not just apples and oranges..it’s apples and poison ivy.
@Michael
What?
Kelli, Ill add it to the long list of things you dont get or understand.
@Grace Alexis
Please speak for yourself… I and almost every trans woman that I know in California hate being addressed as a tranny and everything after that is even more hurtful. Maybe you like being called a tranny or a shemale but for most of us it hurts. So please speak for yourself Grace Alexis and all the other sell outs like you!
@Grace Alexis
Pointing out someone’s transition date and telling them how woman or not that are sure sounds like the words of a CD… They tend to play that card. Real women don’t think about things like that due to the fact that they are and have always been female in their soul. The red flag here is you bashing someone’s transition date… It screams male fella!!!
LOL coletta, you coletta are daft if you don’t think that the period in your life that you transition has something to do with how you see the world, if you think that way, then you probably were one of those that started off wearing their wives panties before they transitioned…now does that lesson your value as a trans woman ..NO…but it sure as hell means that you have a lot to learn, just like kelli anne….. and it also means that i and most girls like me have a difficult time relating to you. when “you” and that is “you in general” make your way through life as a man…you can’t possibly understand what it means to make your way through life as a woman…and if you are only three years into your transition well, again you are still in your infancy and have no business trying to set your self up as an advocate or leader in the trans community..NO BUSINESS AT ALL.
and colletta again, if the majority of ts women in this nation were really upset by the word “tranny” then the vast majority of us wouldn’t use it..and more than ten people would have shown up at those protests and KELLI anne wouldn’t have endorsed a festival that used the word “TRANNY” in it…seriously a little common sense is in order here.
A word can not harm you unless you allow it to..if you allow a word to harm you then you are very weak….there are far too many things effecting our community to make a fictional movie and the word tranny a priority.
and seriously colleta, your daftness is only highlighted when you try to compare the “n”word to the word tranny….actually you aren’t just daft you are an idiot. lol
@Grace Alexis
I have one last thing to say to you.
Well for me the N word and Tranny are both offensive. If you like being called tranny, shemale queen or something like that more freaken power to you. However I find it highly offensive and rude to be called that… Especially by a non trans person. It is very much like the N word in that respect. I have some very close trans friends who use the word to greet one another as I used to do as well… That is till I realized how degrading it actually is to us as a people. African Americans doing the same thing and many of them do not use the N word with each other any longer. So they are very alike in this respect.
Please remember Grace Alexis… You do not speak for me and the vast majority of trans women when it comes to how to address us or what our lives are like. There is no way on earth for you to know what my life is like or any other trans woman unless you are in this persons life.
I also see that you are the kind of person who resorts to personal attacks such as the one about other women’s transition date…. Who the heck made you queen of womanhood??? It’s a very low blow and one that men and CD’s typically use on trans women when they run out of creativity and feel backed into a corner. You do know what this says about you as a person don’t you?
Oh and please spare me your brouhaha about who you are and how long you have been a woman… I couldn’t care less!
“Busey doesn’t ALWAYS protest the word ‘tranny’ — sometimes she endorses it”
I think this is actually a big complement… Kelli’s broken into the “one name” level of stardom, like Streisand, Gable or LuPone. That’s pretty much the highest award a gay wannabe arts critic can bestow. 🙂
Like many men lately, the author of this article takes a crap aimed at a trans women and fails to respond at all to the criticisms of his piece. I think the first few comments in particular (before we go derailed into discussing TOTWK) were pretty reasonable and questioned the intent of the article.
Not surprised in the least. Thought I’d point it out though.
LOL Coletta…take your own advice..i don’t speak for you and you don’t speak for me..but ALL evidence backs what i have said….if the majority our community was really outraged by the word “tranny”…
more than 10 TRANNIES would have shown up to protest the movie, in a city with one of the largest populations of trans women in the world.
While you and KELLI ANNE BUSEY were protesting art…a young trans girl was suspended from school and run out of town in Mississippi..and what issue was the most important issue to your CRAZY leaders Kelli Anne Busey and Ashley nutcase Love…. what issue did they feel compelled to eat, sleep and breathe over the past month and a half…A FICTIONAL MOVIE AND THE WORD TRANNY!
Instead of trying to shine the light on NUMEROUS other trans oriented films that ALL of us can support…YOUR self appointed Crazy Leaders KELLIE ANne BUSEY and ASHLEY LOVE not only blocked the light they stole it and focused it on TOTWK.
i’VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN…KELLIE ANNE BUSEY is much like the character “BONER” in the movie “TICKED OFF TRANNIES WITH KNIVES”..not only does she look like him, she also sounds like him..but instead of using a bat to beat up TRANS show girls and drag queens..KELLIE ANNE BUSEY uses a BIBLE to beat up trans show girls, drag queens and gay men.
“Busey doesn’t ALWAYS protest the word ‘tranny’ — sometimes she endorses it”
LOL, you could say the same thing about any african american activist who protests the n-word only when used by someone who is not a black person.
“Spike Lee doesn’t ALWAYS protest the n-word — sometimes he endorses it”
LOL. That’s some srz headlines right there. The author is obviously an idiot, as are these Daniel and Steve tards. Where do these guys come from?
right on Glinda.
Bigots and bullies are cowards.
They will attack the most vulnerable. They would not dare attack a black man the same as they left the men alone who questioned the very integrity of this horrible excuse for a ‘news source’.
Since the begining the driving motivation has been to demoralize us and morphed out as in the form of TO#WK.
Its evident to clear thinking men, bigots, why don’t you attack them? Scared? Ya I thought so.
Open ended bits of self promotion. Tear down someone to make yourself look like a better person. No one has given to slightest doubt that maybe, just maybe, the thought process behind making the film wasnt to demoralize the trans community. But the endless fine tooth comb has turned this into so much more then it truly is. Everything can me twisted into somethign negative for someone. Besides your endless need to point a finger and play victum to every topic you can squeeze yourself into Kelli, At the end of the day, what has all this protest and hate help you with? I get your message, but your means of showing it need alot of re-examination. Your attack on everything/everybody turns people off and unfortunatley the people who are doing good for many trans issues get a cold sholder because they are lumped into the same group as you. Every post you have you complain about how people try and “demoralize” you but you follow that with calling them “bigots” accusing them of being “scared”. Are you not trying to demoralize them by attacking their charector? Fighting fire with fire? Really? Much more would get accomplished for trans issues if you would let the people who are NOT socially awkward and CAN have a conversation human being to human being speak and keep your thoughts to your blog. Seems that for an activist your gorilla tactics have set the trans movement back and not forward. Just a suggestion. If it is such a “horrible excuse for a news source” why fo you follow it so much? Why do you post on there? Why are you upset because your “article” was taken off of it, it is a “horrible excuse for a news source”…..
Kelli, I disagree with Michael. We need more people to call out transphobia and bigotry, not fewer. Keep callin’ em out; take them to task!
Didnt say he message was the problem, it is her delivery of the message. She doesnt have people skills. Even the other trans activists have been ashamed of most of the things she does and says. In the end, she makes the trans community look like a fool. If that is the role you are wanting and willing to play then by all means, game on as usual.
Michael –
You are essentially dismissing kelli on the basis of her “tone” – in the comments thread of an article that is, if looked at though that lens, COMPLETELY petty, vindictive, and lacking any attention to context or nuance. Not to mention it’s pretty darn personally directed toward Kelli – I’d think one could understand a less than measured “tone” given the five (ish) paragraphs at the top of the page.
How about you look at the tone of the article and talk about that?
Easy, its a reaction to her action. You can play messy, but you can not get upset when others are messy back to you. And not all “tone” alot has to do with her tact or lack there of. The way she addresses issues, talks down to people to make herself feel better. Her everyone one is evil and I am the pour minority routine has been seen to many times. She is addicted to being that victum and any bit of positive change is dismissed because, it seems she doesnt want change. Sympathy card has been used and it at the point of being revolked. I do not agree with fighting fire with fire all the time but I am glad that someone stood their ground and didnt walk on egg shells around Kelli once again to try and not offend the trans activist. Just like she does not use tact when casting judgment on others she should be able to except that others will do the same to her. Laughriotgirl, you are looking at 5 parographs, go to her blog, FB, and other stories on DV and many many peoples blogs and see what she has had to say of others. Once again, the victim card being played on pour Kelli because one article called her out for what she is, someone took a stand on her “spewing” of BS. And it is people like you that back her up that make alot of the trans activism get turned a sholder to, sad but it is true. It has gotten to the point that thefine tooth comb is so great that instead of reporting trans news it is easier to just not cover the storey because someone, somewhere will be offended or twist a word,comment or sentence into a 3 month long boycott because that one particular person was offended and by default other trans activists will support it because,well, they have to(?) and the cycle starts all over again. So yes, it may be easier for a newspaper to cover a LG topics because why risk the backlash from the T? There are set guidlines for offensive wording for LG but the offensive list for T seems to change minute to minute and can be edited at a minutes notice to support anyones cause. So yea, Kelli has gone on endlessly about how the word Tranny is offensive and should not be used by anyone because at the time, it supported her deffense, then turn around and support the word. Please tell me what you LRG define Hypocrit at? She has turned herself into a joke(and many of her supporters ala Ashley Love, queen of the hypocrits) then gets mad when no one takes her serious? That is the true joke.
Laughing Riot: If you’re at all interested in learning how to succinctly and personably deliver a message of positive activism, I suggest reading Michael’s previous post. While some sourpusses might look at it as a nearly incoherent, barely grammatical rant, I think its “tone” is perfect—especially considering he was obviously sh*t-faced when he wrote it.
Sorry Gina, sober here. Your post proves my point, why do Trans activists first line of defense is to name call and TRY to discredit those who do not feel the same as they do? My opinions on Kelli are not given after reading one of her posts and flying off the handle, it is after endless posts. That is the sum of what she give, not just to myself but to many others. You dont like what I have to say, that is ok with me. You can honestly feel that I am “shitfaced” by my post, but what about Kelli in her rants? Gina, one of the others who back up anything as long as a trans person said it. Its a select list, grouping yourself with the likes of Kelli and Ashley. LOL.
Also funny, that whenever the content is right on, you cant talk about that Gina, lets go for grammar? I call that grasping at straws. Diverting attention from the real issues. LOL. Have you ever thought of doing stand up? Your show could be titled “Its like the movie Cruising”!
Ginasf word up gF:D
Michael –
What was Kelli’s action? It has been to tell the writers of the DV that “tranny” is not a universally embraced word for trans women. It is not simply a harmless synonym for “transgender” . The fact that it is sometimes reclaimed by some trans women as a political act is hardly new or novel or unique to trans activism.
The use of a reclaimed word by people who do not share the history with that word is not the same as people actually reclaiming a word. I can’t speak for Kelli, but when I read/hear gay men call me or another trans women “tranny” it’s generally reductive and dismissive (if not overtly hostile). That’s the history of the word for many trans women. Kelli’s support for a trans event that has reclaimed the word, is not the same issue at all – again, this isn’t new or novel or particular to trans politics. It’s actually pretty standard (two gay guys at the club calling each other “fag” is not the same as a het woman who “loves her little fags” – i’m sure you can see the difference)
As far as Kelli – you are still talking about HOW she says things, not WHAT she says. You are also holding a single individual as a monolith for an entire movement and pinning the acceptance of that movement on your subjective approval of the methods she uses to deliver her message. You are simply not applying the same standards to the article’s author. Using your methods I am forced to conclude the following:
Gay men are petty. Gay men are not able to grasp well developed political nuanced that have been actively used for the past 30 years. Thus, gay men are not politically savvy and are likely not engaged in general progressive politics beyond their own issues. Gay men fail to research some very basic aspects before launching into tirades.
1) Gay men are petty
2) Gay men are selfish
3) Gay men are only involved in politics that they directly benefit
4) Gay men value emotionally venting over research
Now, I don’t actually believe these things – but I thank you for the intellectual exercise.
For someone who is not speaking for Kelli you are doing a very good job of it. Fag is a word, if you feel the need to use it great. It is not the word that can offend, its the context. Just because I see the word I do not take offense. And I don’t feel the need to assume what whoever used the word means by it and by there general background pass judgment on them. I stand by “Words only have the strength that you allow them to possess”. Some people will love me, some will hate me, some will agree with me, some will not. I personally can understand that some people will not stand for everything that I believe in. And I don’t feel the need to attack those that have opinions that differ from mine unless they put themselves out there for critique. A lot can come from talking about topics between the L G B and T community as long as it is done with respect. It can not be one sided. With Acceptance and equality are the way I treat others and the people who return that are the ones I chose to have in my life. Those that don’t I do not care about. And my day still goes on. Life is to short to live with such hatred and distaste for the world. I may not agree with everything that the writer of this article says, but I do support his right to say it. At a time I could try to respect Kellies point of view but with her lack of tact and respect for human interaction she has put herself under a spot light to be fine tooth combed herself. The meaning of the article aside, the basic point behind the “facts” you don’t find a little out of place for a trans activist who has expressed such straight forward this is how it is attacks on others? In my book that is a red flag.
At the end of the day, I skimmed over post. Thanks for your opinion.. Have a great day!
To all the trans hating FAGGOTS!
You guys call each other fags all the time, but let someone who is not gay do that. I have seen non gay men beat up for using the word fag. Yes we use the word trannie and we have a right to us it if we like just as you can call each other queer, fag, homo, etc. Trans women need to start addressing all gay males as faggots till they learn it’s not ok for them to use the word trannie like it’s theirs to sling around do as they wish with like a sick joke. You are gay and not one of us and thus have no right what so ever to use the word trannie. What’s it going to take to get you faggots to stop using a word that you have no damn Fing right to?????
And all you trans women who back these guys up… Shame on you!
Coletta, while I totally get your frustration, I don’t think calling gay men faggots (I word I’ve been called many times in my life) solves much of anything. They’e mostly ragging on Kelli because she’s trying to organize a protest against the film in Texas. When you protest something you believe in, there will always be backlash. That’s how it works.
@Ginasf
I’m not one to call gay men or women names but it’s really getting old how willing they are to use names they know hurt to address us. I can’t tell you how many times I have heard gay males use the T word as if it’s theirs to use as they like and quite frankly it’s getting real old.
I have gay lesbian and straight friends but even in my friends circles it’s always the gay males who are loose lipped with the T word. Yes I do agree with everyone that it’s a double standard for us to say it’s ok for a trans woman to use the T word but that’s not the call for a gay male to make just as it’s not my call as a trans person to tell gays and lesbians how to address each other. I’m not a trannie nor are the gay men F*gs. This in house bickering over words does need to stop. To tell the truth at this moment as much as Luna’s Trannie move ticks me off, I’m much more concerned with the rewriting of how ENDA pertains to trans people. If I was going to speak of someone that I have real issues with it would have to be Congressman Barney Frank and how once again trans people are being thrown under the bus by him and those who keep telling us how much they are on our side. Trans people have good reason to be upset with how we are once again being used as a bargaining chip in the LGB world for their benefit.
This is all so disheartening. When will we finally cut our ties to the LGB and just do our own speaking for the trans community as a whole? Instead we have panels and groups of mainly gay men trying to run our world. This is one of the main reasons that I have abandoned most of the LGBT for the straight world and women’s rights. Believe it or not but we are actually much better received by them and that’s a pretty sad state of affairs. In any case thank you Gina for understanding and giving me a moment of clarity that I needed.
Between your last 2 post they seem very Jekyll and Hyde. Calling gay men “FAGGOTS” then asking to stop the name calling? Do you see how the boundary lines get blurred? I see a huge difference between the movie title and calling someone a tranny. If someone said the word tranny, I, as a gay man, am not offended. If someone were to say “Gina, your a stupid Fing tranny” that I would be offended at and have her back 100% in being offended and speaking her mind back. Its context. Same with fag. In some terms the LGBT are grouped together so a gay man saying tranny, dyke etc to them is not being offensive because they are part of that community. Same goes for a trans person saying fag, dyke etc. Unless there is hate behind it, I don’t take offense. A group of lesbians riding there motorcycles down the road and someone says here come the dykes on bikes, not offended. Someone says Here comes those fing dykes, offended. I think it is when someone like Collette separates the L G B and T and starts a post with “To all the trans hating FAGGOTS” you started your post off by putting the question of “How do I take this person serious?” in others minds before we even read what you have to say. “Trans women need to start addressing all gay males as faggots till they learn it’s not ok for them to use the word trannie”. Really? So, from the gay male side, should I rally all the homos together and say lets call out every trans iding person as a Tranny until they stop calling us fags? You did nothing with that statement but try and build a wall between the G and T that could never be torn down. “What’s it going to take to get you faggots to stop using a word that you have no damn Fing right to?????” You started out your comment with calling my people “faggots” and then ask us to be nice and not use the word tranny? You can not build these lines of confusion then get mad because people do not understand your point. You also need to understand that not everyone will agree with you and not everyone will except you, so wanting mass expectance will not happen, even more so when you ask for it the way you did in your last few posts.
And ties between the LGBT communitys are not going to seperate as a whole. If YOU want to seperate yourself, by all means you can do that. Just try and not get to upset if others do not follow. Some of us are very proud to call each others brothers and sisters. Nothing is binding you down, you may leave at any time.
@Michael
First off the only one here that I have seen as being down right mean and the proverbial Jekyll & Hyde that you called me is you yourself Michael. Your run on sentences and paragraphs of blabber full of mad hatter bashing of trans women as a whole. You can spew all your filthy shit like it’s nothing, but it’s funny how you don’t seem to deal very well with the return affect that you cause yourself. Men like you are the reason for the divide that is starting to widen rapidly between the LGB and trans folks. We are not your subordinates and have a right to not have to deal with your mindless and affensssive nature towards trans people. That’s what this whole mess here is about… But your rude pos ass has no cooth, so much so, even the other gay men are telling you this same thing.
Michael said:>> “I see a huge difference between the movie title and calling someone a tranny. If someone said the word tranny, I, as a gay man, am not offended. If someone were to say “Gina, your a stupid Fing tranny” that I would be offended at and have her back 100% in being offended and speaking her mind back.” <<> “Its context. Same with fag. In some terms the LGBT are grouped together so a gay man saying tranny, dyke etc to them is not being offensive because they are part of that community. Same goes for a trans person saying fag, dyke etc. Unless there is hate behind it,” <<<@Michael we are trans and that deals with a persons personal gender not their sexual preferance of being a bottom top or lipstick lesbian. Being gay is pretty damn easy in comparison to living life from day to day gender varyant therefor you as a gay man who passes as a man and are happy in your gender could not even begin to fathom life as a trans person.. So stop acting like you have some kind of understanding of our world…. YOU ARE NOT TRANS AND ARE NOT PART OF OUR WORLD… YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE SO STICK TO YOUR PIG SEX, BATH HOUSES, AND THE PUTTING DOWN OF YOUR OWN BOTTOM MEN YOU GUYS SEEM TO DO SO MUCH OF. YOU GUYS HAVE PLENTY OF DIRT TO CLEAN UP ON YOUR FILTHY SIDE OF THE STREET BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT OURS!!!!
@Coletta
The truth hurts sometimes. Once again, when you have nothing to go on, calling out run on sentences? Really? Sad. Pathetic.
I have not once “bashed” anyone for being trans. Kelli may be trans but not likeing her has nothing to do with gender ID.
The only person that has commented after me was Gina, so if that is the “other gay men” you were talking about, I will let Gina handle that.
“STICK TO YOUR PIG SEX, BATH HOUSES, AND THE PUTTING DOWN OF YOUR OWN BOTTOM MEN YOU GUYS SEEM TO DO SO MUCH OF. YOU GUYS HAVE PLENTY OF DIRT TO CLEAN UP ON YOUR FILTHY SIDE OF THE STREET BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT OURS!!!!”
Coletta, your such a classy gal! This point has been noted, when you have nothing to say take quotes out of context, go all over the board with random thoughts and the offend the people you want to be nice to you. Thank you for wasting my time once again.
Unless your intent is to make up laugh, send your thought in a private message to kelli. LOL
@Michael
The truth seems to be more than what gay men can deal with just ask ole liar Barney Frank. I’m sick of fair weather back stabbers like both of you. That’s why i speak up… I’ll never sit down for bottom feeders like you, But… I really don’t have time for you eather so enjoy your trans bashing.
I know it is an easy route to blame everything on hating a person because of there gender id, But in many cases it has to do with a dislike for the person, gender ID not being a factor. Bottom feeders? Really? Apparently with many people like me being labeled “cisgendered white males with privilege” I am far from the bottom according to the trans activists. That old J & H again. Backstabbers? Please don’t act like you know me. For wanting change by the masses for trans people it is people like you that make people not want to be bothered. That is my opinion based on your posts, nothing to do with how you ID yourself.
Just to recap, in your last few posts, you have asked for acceptance and equality by people who you have 1. Wanted to separate yourself from. 2. Have used to describe them using the words. ” users, fetish trash, faggot, boring, bigots, sell outs, trans hating faggots, mean, filthy, rude ass, pig sex, putting down bottom men,”. And you wonder why people don’t except you? If you want to be treated like a lady, first you should try representing yourself as one. If I were to use those words on you, I would be beaten down with “misogyny and Tran phobic” labels. But for you, its OK because you associate everything that people say to you with your gender ID and not that you are just a person. To me that is sad. A lot of people do not harp on gender ID, it does seem that the trans people on these and a few FB blogs do. I am not easily excepted into the world like you accused me of. Gay men have a struggle with everyday living just like trans. Maybe you don’t understand that because you are not a gay man. A sentence, in which causes so many questions for me. I don’t understand why when anyone says that they understand what it is like for trans women they are automatically given YOU DONTY KNOW BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT TRANS. True, but unfortunately, being trans is not the only group of people that are treated different because of who they are.
Coletta, many of us support and love of LGBT brothers and sisters. I have very close friends that ID with each letter. My best friend, who I would take a bullet for ID’s as trans. In my close circle of true friends, (I have not written it down to compare actual numbers) more then half I would say are trans. And have in the past and will in the future defend there right to be who they are. Please do not assume you can lump me in a group because it is easier for you to trash talk. All of my comments have been towards certain people for what they have done or said in this blog post or others. And NOT ONE COMMENT was made because of there gender ID. NOT ONE. “That’s like saying my best friend is black”. Whatever way people feel they need to discredit, by all means go for it. Being gay has given me tough skin, because we to have our daily struggles as I can see that trans people do as well. Hopefully one day you will be able to notice that you are not the only one with struggles in life because you try to live your life the way you feel. When you post, I think you need to take some of the advice you gave to Grace, “Speak for yourself”.
As I said before, you are not bound to be included and can leave at any time, the doors thatta way. To the people who want unity not only within our community but with society as well and support the lgbT. Hugs! Michael
laughriotgirl,
Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You do speak for me. You are a sister and a confident.
I owe you one big ole (((HugZ))) and you know what kinT I am talking about.
The gay people who are using the argument we should ‘reclaim’ this word know perfectly well that word has always been a important part of our culture and shared reverently and with dignity is special situations, but if if the haters ever admitted that they would destroy this demeaning and anger inspiring tactic they are so invested in and enjoy so much.
Everyone who is a person of transgender experience knows that, but it’s a waste of time commenting here and only severs to drive this filthy rag higher in goggle searches.
So, If you wrestle with a fig you will only get filthy and the fig will love it.
laughriotgirl, thank you again. I will remain focused on organizing our protest of TO*WK and not being upset, so I haven’t been wasting my time with a rag as discredited as the Dallas Voice.
Your girl, kelli anne Busey
“waste of time commenting here and only severs to drive this filthy rag higher in goggle searches.”
If that is the case, why didnt you make a statement about the protest of TOTWK was not worth it because, in the end, protesting it just told more people about it and helped sell more tickets. BUT, you are organizing your own protest for Q-Cinema. But. you. just. said……OH, The double standards. The hypocrisy. THIS is the reason people roll there eys and chuckle when they hear the names Kelli Anne Busey and Ashley Love. You talk more to make a statment that sounds good then what you believe. Now when you act, your actions never live up to your words.
Example.
Isreal Luna makes a movie using trans actresses, about a select group of the trans community and is condemed for it.
Sarah Silverman recently was quoted “Everytime I get dressed up for the red carpet or a big event I feel like a tranny.”. For this you showed outrage because her show was canceled? You never thought that everytime she does a skit in black face that AA might be offended? Rascist? For that was the quote and the black face a tribute instead of an insult? Where the the line between rascist and offensive and supporative humor? Wouldnt that line be different for everybody?
Kelli, we understand why you cant comment more. Without condeming your actions you really dont have much to say. ” but if if the haters ever admitted that they would destroy this demeaning and anger inspiring tactic they are so invested in and enjoy so much.” Its like you were looking in a mirror when you wrote that.
Don’t you sad, ignorant people realize you’re the only ones reading or posting this crap?!
I only know because I had selected to receive updates to this post.
So totally deselected it after seeing that there are no intelligent, reasoned, rational, mature points being added. Nor have any for A VERY LONG TIME!
Go find jobs ya’ half-wits.
Now that you mention, Steve. I realize you never responded to any of the questions I asked you. I realize that you ran out of intelligent things to say on some other forum on some other website in some other year, I’m sure. If you don’t want to contribute to what’s going on then zip it. Please and thanks.
I thought this topic would have died by now..but events that support the author of this story have taken place since…SCANDALOUS events lol..
Crazy Hypocrite Trannies; Kelli Anne Busey and Ashley Love BUSTED!
https://thequeenzofmedia.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/crazy-hypocrite-trannies-kelli-anne-busey-and-ashley-love-busted/
Please read the link above fully documented with evidence of Kelli Anne Busey and Ashley Love’s crazyness and hypocrisy /
Grace, and you didnt even do to far in depth about them and STILL not a word is a lie and everytime it is brought up they do not respond or Ashley deletes the comments if she can. Sad. Great Blog!
thankies Michael…it’s still funny how all of their followers especially kelli’s excuse her blatant lies…
she flat out got busted by lying that i invited her to be a guest on my show, yet her supporters just ignore the fact they are supporting a proven liar and hypocrite….if you believe in your cause rally around a leader who has some character for christ sake’s…not someone who is a character.