For Tony Green, the coronavirus pandemic was just a ‘scamdemic’ — until truth hit home hard
EDITOR’S NOTE: Tony Green contributed this article as a guest columnist. Contrary to reports by some media outlets, he is not a Dallas Voice employee, and he was not paid for this column.
Imagine the sound and vibration of an old-fashioned electric heater going through your whole body. Imagine gasping for air with every step you take. Imagine rubbing Icy Hot all over your head to soothe a painful headache. Imagine your eyes in a bowl of water while you’re still seeing through them. Imagine collapsing and waking up in the ER only to find out COVID-19 attacked your central nervous system, and the doctor had just saved you from a stroke.
If that were the worst of it, it would be bad enough. But that’s not the worst of it. This is the story of one family’s harrowing fight with COVID-19.
Full disclosure: I am a gay conservative, someone that often juggles persecution for my sexuality while being true to my values. Such a combination requires a lot of tenacity to earn respect from either group.
I admit I voted for Donald Trump in 2016. I admit traveling deep into the conspiracy trap over COVID-19. All the defiant behavior of Trump’s more radical and rowdy cult followers, I participated in it. I was a hard-ass that stood up for my “God-given rights.”
In great haste, I began prognosticating the alphabet soup about this “scamdemic.” I believed the virus to be a hoax. I believed the mainstream media and the Democrats were using it to create panic, crash the economy and destroy Trump’s chances at re-election.
And so, believing the pandemic to be a hoax, my partner and I hosted family members on Saturday, June 13. On Sunday, June 14, I woke up sick.
By Monday, June 15, my partner and my parents were all sick. That same Monday, my in-laws traveled to witness the birth of their first grandchild. They took with them my father-in-law’s mother and one of my partner’s sisters. That night my father-in-law became ill. Then my mother-in-law and their daughter began feeling sick. So they cut their trip short.
Two days later, my father-in-law’s mother got sick. The new mommy and daddy got sick, too. We all tested positive for COVID-19. Only the newborn was spared.
My father-in-law and I both went to the hospital on June 24. The virus had attacked my central nervous system, and the staff stopped me from having a stroke.
My father-in-law’s mother was admitted a day later. On July 1, she died of COVID-19/pneumonia. The chaplain wanted the family to break the news to my father-in-law, and he learned how his mother lay on her deathbed and then drifted off without any family by her side, even though he was in the room next to hers.
On the day of her funeral, which was July 14, five more of our family members tested positive for the virus. That evening, my father-in-law was put on a ventilator.
You cannot imagine the guilt I feel, knowing that I hosted the gathering that led to so much suffering. You cannot imagine my guilt at having been a denier, carelessly shuffling through this pandemic, making fun of those wearing masks and social distancing. You cannot imagine my guilt at knowing that my actions convinced both our families it was safe when it wasn’t.
For those who deny the virus exists or who downplay its severity, let me assure you: The coronavirus is very real and extremely contagious. Before you even know you have it, you’ve passed it along to your friends, family, coworkers and neighbors.
And now, husbands, wives and children are being separated. The sick are taking care of the sick while those without symptoms are self-quarantining. I am aware of how my bias could discredit me with some, but trust me, you do not want this virus. And you do not want your loved ones suffering and dying from this because you are taking a “political stand” or protecting the economy over their lives.
We are all at the precipice of a common heartache.
The next time you’re put out because your favorite spots are closed or because they won’t let you enter without wearing a mask, and you decide to defy them rather than comply because you’re defending your rights and freedoms from being trampled, just remember: Your family and friends may be next.
Is that too harsh? Try imagining someone you care about on life support. Try being the one to pick the only 10 people allowed to attend a funeral for a loved one. But don’t fret; you’ve got time to ponder, because the mortuary is booked out for at least a week.
Now imagine one more thing: That pool party, the mixer or family reunion you’re pushing for resulting in you being cold and alone in a hospital bed, fighting for your life. Imagine the only human contact you feel is a stranger’s rubber glove giving you medication, checking your vitals and changing your diaper.
That is exactly what has happened to our family.
America, this is not going to go away without sacrifice. Either way, we are going to pay a price. Governments are faced with making difficult decisions, and they cannot appease and satisfy everyone.
But to do nothing is to be foolish. To ignore or question the validity of this virus, its contagiousness or the consequences of selfish attitudes is — at this stage — completely stupid.
I am calling myself out first, but now this is personal, and I fell on my sword. And I promise you, if we continue being more worried about the disruption to our lives than we are about stopping this virus, not one American will be spared.
Not one.
Tony Green is a consultant and cultural transformation coach to prisons and inmates in four states, a lobbyist for reform and the author of Maxed Out: The Criminal Justice System Running Amok.
That is truly a terrible, heartbreaking story. However, because of people like you, I have self isolated since late March. I haven’t seen friends, or family. I am terrified to go grocery shopping. Which by the way, is the current excitement in my life. I don’t leave the house. Because of people like you, I have been forced into early retirement. Otherwise, I would have lost my job of 30 years come October. Permanently. If everyone had followed New York’s lead, we would be out the other side of this by now. People would be back to work. Small groups of socialization would be acceptable. Some form of entertainment would be available, with caution of course. The economy would be on it’s way back to firing on all cylinders. Because of peop[e like you, our country is languishing in a cesspool of disease. A disease that doesn’t care if you love Trump or not. Doesn’t care if you are Black, Latinx, Asian, White, gay, straight, skinny, fat, young, old, Democrat or Republican. Covid-19 doesn’t care. It has a job to do. And it’s sole purpose is to replicate itself, as quickly as it can. And if it kills you in the process? It doesn’t care. It doesn’t care if you think it’s a hoax. You found that out the hard way. I on the other hand, refuse. Refuse to learn the hard way. I wear a mask when I rarely go out in public. I carry hand sanitizer. And use it liberally. I wash my hands as soon as I walk in the door. And that, most likely, will not be enough. So far, I’ve been lucky. But, all it will take, is someone like you to make all of my caution go up in smoke. Perhaps, you should be preaching this story to your Trump supporter friends. Because, they are all just like you.
Mitch, while I can understand your fear of this virus, please remember this writer is also a human being, but you trivialize his loss as nothing. You also lash out at President Trump, who by the way did NOT cause this pandemic. It was the Communist China Party (CCP). Your focus, and any anger you have, should be focused on that. Who cares quite frankly whether you like the writer for this article or Trump for that matter. What matters is this administration has been working to come up with a solution to the problem, which the world is now dealing with. You sound be thanking President Trump for doing all he can to save American lives. He shut down any flights into the U.S. from China, once his administration learned of the pandemic. Look at the progress being made with a promising solution in the form of a vaccine. It would be nice if you were at least a little appreciative of what this administration is doing to help you, and all Americans to save lives. From reading your comments it would lead me to believe your fear is more than about this virus. It is about dying. If you think about eternity, not even one second passes. That is why it is eternity. We are all given a certain number of days, weeks, months or years while here on earth. Then we pass on to eternity. An eternity filled with love or one filled with torment. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. I would only ask that if you have not yet accepted Jesus as your eternal savior to do so, before your eternity arrives. Love, not hate, peace not anger. Strive to love your neighbor as you love yourself. We are all just trying to make it through this life…right, wrong or indifferent…perhaps this is the test given to you is how you choose to live.
Gwen: A virus has caused this epidemic, not the Chinese and not Trump. But Trump, in a desperate bid to get re-elected, downplayed the threat this virus posed, ignoring it and blocking efforts to inform the public and to encourage effective measure to stop the spread — until it was too late. And people who are more concerned with their right to have a drink or get a haircut than with the well-being of their fellow human beings have furthered the spread of the virus.
Tammye,
Rarely do I try to educate anyone, but in your case I will make an exception, so the next time you feel anyone needs educating you might want to look at your own education first.
The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses. Having worked with labs before, the NIH research consisted of two parts.
The first part began in 2014, after Dr. Anthony Fauci, who worked in the Obama Administration was told to stop coronavirus testing. The study involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million (which was funded by none-other than Dr. Anthony Fauci).
A second phase of the project, beginning that year, included additional surveillance work, but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans.
In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years (this goes back to 2014, under the Obama Administration) for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.
The problem arose in Nov./Dec. 2019, but the Communist China Party (CCP) did not share with the rest of the world about what was taking place within China a couple months previously, but allowed infected persons to travel to all parts of the world.
A whistleblower, Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a former virologist with the University of Hong Kong School of Public Health gave an interview of how this virus was created and how it was allowed to spread by the Communist China Party (CCP) government. Please pay special attention about what she says of the World Health Organization W.H.O.) and the role they played with the spread of COVID-19.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/chinese-virologist-accuses-beijing-of-hiding-details-on-coronavirus/vi-BB16B4au
By sharing this video, you and your readers will have a better understanding of this virus origination.
You seem like a smart individual, so I hope you will at least give this video some thought. Unless you are a virologist I would ask you to consider all points, not just one.
Lee, thank you for sharing this information. I was not sure about it, but did watch the video (it did not come up when I tried playing it and just Googled Dr. Li-Meng Yan, and found the interview.
Great job at writing this up!
This was a very good piece of information. I researched and found you are correct about where this started, and by whom (China). As a conservative, I appreciate when FACTS are presented, instead of all the hype surrounding this virus. God, can anyone be that foolish to believe MSLSD, or Communist News Network to report FACTS, instead of a false narrative?
LEE: so this is a dangerous virus concocted by the chinese, therefore people shouldn’t wear masks and we should re-open schools?
Spreading more bullshit – you are all fools. When you all, or your family members, fall ill to the coronavirus, you will all deserve the outcome. No one will feel sympathy for you. Karma is a bitch – just ask the author of this essay.
Lee, you did something that, sadly, so-called professional journalists can’t seem to do- deliver facts. Instead, we get politicized, and agenda filled pieces that sound more lime propaganda. Great job!
Sorry but if you’re going to use Fox News as source for truth, you are just kidding yourself and everyone else. The media is controlled by one party or the other. None of their information is reliable. The just pick out points which support arguments.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/29/fact-check-u-s-government-did-not-intentionally-engineer-covid-19/3216066001/
Lee, let me educate you as you miseducate everyone: you should have gone with your gut because all you did was spread racist propaganda and untruths.
I know someone who has worked directly with Dr. Fauci for over 15 years as a lead researcher, and the only bats around here are you bat$hit conspiracy theories.
Next time you get the urge to set someone straight shut off your computer and take a walk to the local park. Condescend to the ducks in the pond all you want. Get it out of your system, but spare the rest of us your drivel.
Note mentioned her is that the University of Hong Kong this person worked for issued a press release denying her claim and stated that “HKU notes that the content of the said news report does not accord with the key facts as we understand them. Specifically, Dr Yan never conducted any research on human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus at HKU during December 2019 and January 2020, her central assertion of the said interview. We further observe that what she might have emphasised in the reported interview has no scientific basis but resembles hearsay.” In addition, allegations by this person have almost exclusively been covered by non-credible sources and sources with a history of sensationalism. Fox News–which did the interview–has also given time to Qanon supporters and other non-reputable individuals.
Hi, Lee: Yes, China deeply bungled its early response. But there is zero conclusive evidence showing that the virus was manufactured or escaped from the Wuhan lab. You seem to regard virus research in China as a bad (or should I say Democrat-funded?) thing when in truth the lab had been doing vital work for years. Right-wing conspiracy theories regarding its origins resulted in the program being defunded this past spring, which in the end is your tragedy and mine, as such research could be bringing us closer to identifying meds to counter some of the virus’s more ravaging effects. Researchers as of earlier this summer think that a bat gave it to another animal who gave it to a human. Anyway, the bottom line here is that people of Asian descent everywhere are harmed when we call Covid the “China Virus” or suggest that Chinese people overall are to blame. The people who called the virus “Covid” were in fact very careful not to use its place of origin in its name to prevent the human tendency to scapegoat, blame and worse. So yes, I agree with you that the Chinese government bungled its response. But the Chinese people are not to blame, and neither are the researchers, and we have to be careful how we frame such accusations. Hate crimes are real. (P.S. As a fellow dude, I will just say to you that “man-splainy” is never a good look.)
You all are conspiracy theory nuts. Seek help.
The Russians love you, you’ve learned all of their words.
Conspiracy theories killed one member of the author’s family, along with 10s of thousands of other Americans. Keep believing and spreading this anti-science gibberish and you and people who listen to you are likely to be next
While some here try to say it’s all China’s fault, many countries around the world have dealt with it far better than we have. You can lay blame all you want for the virus originating in China. At the same time, don’t ignore the failure that Trump and we Americans have had after we took action against the initial wave that hit the Northeast and California. The deaths in the months since then are our fault, not China’s.
Tammye, was completely right, and all Lee did was state things that anyone would already know if they have been following the pandemic. Lee addressed none of what Tammye said-which was all true. Lee comes off as a know-it-all, and a conspiracy theorist. There is no doubt that China tried to hide the spread of the virus when it got loose. Just at Trump and his republican governors are trying to hide the true number of cases, and deaths. Stop reading QAnon and other right-wing garbage and educate yourself.
Lee, how is it that research intended to study and prevent the spread of viruses from bats into humans is somehow evidence that COVID-19 is the fault of the CCP?
China may have hidden or tried to downplay the early emergence of this virus, the WHO may have fumbled the ball, but nonetheless our experts knew about the emerging risk in January 2020. Here’s a news release from NIAID and Anthony Fauci from January 23rd: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/niaid-officials-discuss-novel-coronavirus-recently-emerged-china
“The new cluster of viral pneumonia cases originating in Wuhan, China, marks the third time in 20 years that a member of the large family of coronaviruses (CoVs) has jumped from animals to humans and sparked an outbreak.”
Irrespective of what China did or did not do, our government and specifically Donald Trump has been tragically if not criminally negligent in responding to this virus. Donald Trump was not willing to tell the American people until a few *days* ago that masks would help stop transmission. He has pushed drugs with no proven benefit on the public — not to mention bleach. He has stood by as nearly 150,000 Americans are known to have died of COVID-19, and more likely it’s tens of thousands more dead due to underreporting.
Trump has ignored the science, downplayed the risks, and tried to deflect blame. I can only hope that enough Americans are savvy enough not to take the bait and to hold him and his enablers responsible for their catastrophic failures.
Lee, there is a good reason you should not be educating anyone. You are uneducated and are repeating conspiracies from uneducated news anchors.
That would not be so bad if you provided anything relevant to the virus. At best, you’d have proved that the virus originated in China and they hid the severity from the rest of the world.
It is pathetic for its irrelevance. Drumpf responded to it in the worst way of ALL developed countries, and has led to USA being #1 in cases, deaths and no end in sight.
“It came from China” is like blaming Japan because you ran over your kid with a Toyota and then kept driving it over every kid.
I wish that you were better educated. Until you are, just stay quiet
Lee – I’m late to the party and found this essay via social media. Although I differ with your politics and disagree with your comment – this thread sounds like a person trapped in a burning building wanting to argue about who set the fire. It actually doesn’t matter right now.
The arson investigation will be important – but as a community we need the “bucket brigade”, everyone doing their part to put out the flame – that’s what neighbors do, that’s what community is about. Not “you don’t support the same politicians I do, so your house – your city – can burn, because *my* house isn’t on fire.” Because as we’ve learned, if you sit and watch your neighbors house burn, it’s your neighborhood going up in flames and it’s likely your house will end up burning too.
I appreciate Tony Green’s conversion, but I am disappointed that it took his own house catching on fire for him to finally acknowledge that houses have been on fire all around him, houses are on fire all over the country – but he wasn’t even willing to even throw a cup of water before he got sick and members of his family died. I honestly don’t understand that way of thinking, but I wish him the best.
Lee my delusional friend. You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Try facts. I know it is a stretch so let me educate you. I will put it in terms you can understand and not use too many syllables. YOU ARE A MORON. YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS BLOATED IGNORAMUS. Now, my suggestion is you don’t rely on the Pandemic movie which has been pulled due to the lack of facts and the felon speaking in it, go to medical school and then you can “educate” the rest of us. Until then, may I suggest you shut your pie hole and learn something. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Apparently being a conservative which use to have value, no longer does. George and Barry following his diatribe, what flavor koolaid do you prefer. You are all full of it. You sad pathetic men.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-admin-wuhan-lab-grant/
Thanks for the info but I am trying to understand what some people read. It’s still a virus. Still wear a mask
When Trump was inaugurated and talked about the American Carnage he was going to inflict upon us, he also put his hand on the bible and swore to protect us from all enemies, domestic and foreign. It doesn’t matter where it came from, he failed to protect us from the virus. He had the chance. He chose the political route. He politicizes everything.
Lol lol lol!! Dumbest comment ever.
Let’s pretend everything you just said is absolutely, completely true. (Not, but as you will note..) It doesn’t MATTER. It doesn’t change a SINGLE thing about the above story, about what’s going on in the US RIGHT NOW, or how we should have, and still should, respond to it.
Doesn’t matter where the virus may or may not have started, what matters is it is a contagious virus that doesn’t care about your theories, your politics, your religion, your voting history. It only cares (and that’s a misnomer, this is what it DOES, viruses don’t have feelings) about REPLICATING, and you are a potential host.
If you don’t want the virus, or to spread the virus to family and friends, then you want to avoid becoming its HOST. Since it has the viral trifecta of successful spreading of long period before showing symptoms, living a LONG time outside of a host, and being spread through respiratory droplets, this means…
WEAR A MASK, try to be around OTHER people who wear appropriate masks, and wash your hands WELL and try not to touch your face.
If you wear a mask, if you HAVE COVID, you stop the DROPLETS that carry the virus from going out into the air, if you don’t WANT covid, you stop the droplets OTHER people (especially if they aren’t wearing masks) may spread from entering YOUR respiratory system. If you wash your hands and don’t touch your face, you prevent any of the virus that made it to a surface from making it into your mouth and nose.
Simple and as apparently complicated for some as that.
Where it came from doesn’t change ANYTHING about the above.
First thing you see when you open the link is fox news. That automatically discredits your story as a conspiracy theory that dump, poopeo, and “I like the taste of dumps ass” Barr are trying very hard to push to move the focus of the real cause of the SPREAD of the virus. If you truly want to educate people using the truth, never look to fox as your source, it is an auto given you are too gullible and most likely lack the ability to spot conspiracy theory and the truth.
I guess there is a reason you rarely try to educate anyone…you’re the village idiot.
Lee, I am certain you buy into these conspiracy theories. The truth is that pathogens have been jumping species for millions of years. You cannot blame a government for a process that has been occurring in nature for millions of years. You can blame a government for not recognizing and taking swift action to protect its citizens, but the fact is that once a newly transferred virus that humans have no natural antibodies against lays down a foundation in a population, it will spread. The question is: how fast and how many people will it infect along the way? The COVID-19 virus was bound to spread across the world. Pandemics have been occurring for thousands of years, and this is not the last pandemic humans will face. Keep on spreading rumors, fear, and blame. If you want to lay any blame in this country, that blame can go directly to one man who REFUSED to promote safe practices early on. Even in the midst of a crisis, Trump continued to downplay the severity of the pandemic, and promoted unsafe practices. Unfortunately, his base is so brainwashed, they believe everything he says.
Wowza. Looks like Lee is the person who needs to be educated! Unless Lee is a virologist??
Lee, your “reporting” has just enough true information in it to make the BS seem true as well. This is a misinformation strategy and you are very good at it. Why the need to slam Fauci and Obama unless you are creating a narrative that absolves Trump of all responsibility? You even linked to a video for street cred. Well played.
I thought only right-wing rags were carrying the Li-Meng Yan interviews. She turned out to not even be a scientist — just some girl who popped up with a compelling story.
Lee can you produce any argument that was not provided by Fox News, cause they are not a credible source, don’t really want to school anyone!! But when the leader of the free world calls it a hoax, perpetrated for political gain, well that’s unforgivable and all the bounty is now on his head, and his head alone !!
Lee – Tammye has a point. It doesn’t matter where the virus came from at this time. The main issue is that it is in the US and not contained. Not enough was done by the administration to stop the virus. It doesn’t matter if it originated in China – that’s a way to distract people from the situation that we currently are in – by creating a scapegoat that you can feel anger towards and shifting blame.
And one more thing – the virus came to NY from Europe. Should we start blaming them? (https://www.reuters.com/article/healthcare-coronavirus-usa-new-york/coronavirus-came-to-new-york-from-europe-not-china-governor-idUSKCN2262NJ)
Thank you Lee, great information. I hope everyone puts aside their personal assumptions, biases and vitriol and considers the facts surrounding the study and release of this virus.
You lie. It just goes to show how many uneducable, selfish, self-centered, deceitful, people live in Texas. Your lack of self-reflection illustrates your lack of ethics or morals as well as why Texas is one of the largest outbreaks in these disUnited States.
Further, Mr Green himself like you will never feel any true guilt for anything. I see no actual contrition from him in his post. All I see is self loathing and me, me, me. Cockroaches are like that. I have no sympathy for stupid people who choose to only think of themselves.
Yeah, NO!
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-07-13/The-COVID-19-whistleblower-that-never-was-S5eigkC5Yk/index.html
wow the replies to this comment are epic
THANKS TO ALL WHO PUT THIS FREAK ON HIS PLACE!!
By going all the way back to Nov of 2019 you really are covering for trumps failed response to this virus. He disbanded the Virus response team almost immediately from taking office. He’s slashed budgets and positions that give the US ample time to prepare for this then, ignored his own intel starting in Dec, then in Jan, then in Feb and in both Feb and March congratulated Xi on his handling of the Virus.
He had still not done much to help prep America for this and it shows now with us having only 4 % of the world pop but more cases and deaths than the next 3 countries combined.
He also refused to wear a mask, called them not-helpful and then blasted Dem govs for making restrictions for groups and mandatory mask rules.
At every turn trump has FAILED to govern or lead this nation and only too late did he start taking this seriously and even then it was because his poll numbers were sinking and “his people” were getting sick and dying.
Blaming China for something thats been in the US since February proves that you, much like trump would like to make this a political issue instead of the health and safety issue it really is.
What are you going to do, sue China for trumps failures? At some point trump must be held accountable for his disaster of a presidency much like you should be held accountable for voting for him, reading this article about someone-like you- and then still using your time to blame China.
This is really simple. The virus was coming here anyway. There was no total travel ban it also came from Europe. Given we had a clear warning as soon as it jit our shires it was the President’s job to deal with it. He did tge opposite. Lying, denying abd tryibg to hawk unproven cures including disinfectant. And then encouraging social defiance of responsible behavior. That’s why we have 150k dead and counting and you have nothing but lame excuses for a deadly purpiseful failure. All vased on tge freed and aspurations of one cirruot disturbed man. A disaster based on selfishness and greed.
I’m saving my sympathy for the ones who chose to care about other people. Not just themselves and their families when it impacts them.
This is all entirely incorrect. And I am a virologist.
And you seem to be easily duped and not very smart. Everything you say is bullshit. Just more propaganda to pass on to the easily led. Follow the advice of medical experts, an d we can minimize risks and spread. Don’t follow, and you and your fellow Trump supporting morons can finally be right about one thing; America is #1! In cases and deaths. Well done.
Foxnews isn’t news. It’s a propaganda network created by Roger Ailes.
Do a google search or check out the video below.
https://youtu.be/VzoZf4IAfAc
There aren’t enough facepalm emojis for this level of conspiracy theory nonsense. What is wrong with you people?
Lee,
What does the origin of the virus have to do with practicing social distancing?
Your first 5 paragraphs are conspiracy tbeory nonsense. Lee, your fursymt paragraphs are conspiracy theory nonsense.
Lee, George and Barry:
Are you guys sharing a threesome gay conservative union? Being an independent agnostic, I never heard such a term as gay conservative until now.
Seriously now, this guy is or was a gay conservative. Sounds oxy-moronic. How can he explain 145,000+ deaths, since March when we are not in a serious war, and there has been equal to 3 years of traffic deaths in 5 months.
Where is the hoax? Is the world flat? Did he and his family get abducted by aliens? Did everyone just watch FOX without watching another station or read a newspaper?
In my local city, our paper, San Antonio Express & News, publishes a Texas map showing all the counties in different colors, showing the various ranges in 10,000 people who have caught the virus. Starts out white showing 0, only 3 out of 264 counties to dark brown showing 75 cases or greater in 10,000 for at least half of the counties. And this guy is from Texas. Trump and Abbott are really doing a disservice to my state. But then, every red state is in the same fix and a few blue states as well.
What a load of conspiracy ignorant BS. Period.
Hi Lee- I would like to know the source for this portion of your post: “ The first part began in 2014, after Dr. Anthony Fauci, who worked in the Obama Administration was told to stop coronavirus testing. The study involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million (which was funded by none-other than Dr. Anthony Fauci).”
I am trying to find info online about this assertion but all I can find so far are articles in USA Today, Science Magazine, NPR and The NY Times saying that Obama actually funded A program for Coronavirus research but Trump ended it.
Please provide sources. Thank you.
Lee:
While I do not like the Chinese government (I have spent several months there), and while I know where the virus came from geographically, and know that it may have come from a lab, it was NOT created. There are many actual science articles stating this, and I trust science.
“The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here’s how we know.”
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html
“COVID-19 not man-made, comparative genomic study finds”
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds
Yep, China acted like China, but that is no excuse for the complete bungling of our country’s responce by Trump.
Re the NIH support of the Wuhan lab, Much of the statement above is both wrong and intended to obfuscate and inflame. The truth is that the NIH grants went to a consortium of American scientists, most at respected research institutes, who were studying various aspects of bat-associate coronaviruses in the Wuhan area of China. The grants were awarded in the standard way, having gone through peer-review in NIH study sections. A small amount each year (~70K in the last year) went to the Whuhan lab for their collaborations in the study. This is standard practice in any grant-funded research project that involves collaboration with international labs. There is no credible indication that Fauci played any role in having the grants funded, or in having any of the funds transferred to the Wuhan lab. And all of this is public record. As to the Wuhan lab creating SARS-Cov-2, absolute rubbish. The best molecular phylogenetists in the world, including several groups that work on coronaviruses, all have concluded that there is virtually no chance that SARS-Cov-2 arose by genetic engineering. Interestingly, there still is no widely accepted hypothesis for how the virus arose, but there is uniform agreement that it did arise naturally, and most probably passed through a second host animal before mutating to become transmissible to and between humans. As to constructing gain of function mutants, this is standard practice in all molecular biology labs, and even those who work with bacterial and viral pathogens. My qualifications? 40 years running a molecular microbiology lab with funding from the NIH, NSF, USDA, and DOE. Look me up on Pub Med. The take-home? Don’t pay any attention to this kind of rubbish from Lee. We don’t even know who this person is.
What is the point of this history lesson? It fails to explain it actually doesn’t matter what China did or failed to do – many countries are suffering far less than the US because of the choices the government and the people made.
BTW, NIH funds many exotic virus studies around the world, as does the European Union, the World Health Organization, and others. Coronaviruses have been of intense interest since SARS. It’s actually responsible to fund research on them, which is why the Obama administration did – at the time, a MERS outbreak was in progress and China was one of the few countries that could test coronaviruses in lab conditions.
Pandemic management is a matter contained within each country. The Trump administration chose to dismantle all of the government’s pandemic response teams and protocols. That willful mistake has had devastating effects for all Americans. Individuals like Mr. Green and his family further suffer and cause others to suffer because of their politicized and often ill-informed beliefs. Whatever China did or did not do, it’s Americans who have caused most of their destruction.
Lee: Presuming the virus is Chinese, which I too believe without any proof, why do you think that one should go about without any safety precautions?!
I must say that is a wrong concept. World over too many people are dead, when they should have led a fuller life. And more importantly, several of the coved-19 surivivors have contracted lifelong debilitating diseases. It is each persons’ responsibility to follow safety protocols.
Just because the virus could be man-made should not prompt you, me or anyone else to behave recklessly.
Lee, you are an absolute moron. Let me quote one utter lie you began with: “The first part began in 2014, after Dr. Anthony Fauci, who worked in the Obama Administration was told to stop coronavirus testing. ”
This is entirely untrue alongside your other assertions. Trump-trash seems more than willing to lie and spread false info to their fellow citizens, so they can espouse some kind of party loyalty.
Trump is a traitor, uncontested because his personal attorney, William Barr, (who is supposed to represent us, the people) refused to prosecute him.
You don’t seem like a smart person, because I would venture a guess: Fox News is your sole information platform. Scum and I am ashamed that you are one of my countrymen.
Lee, you fail to include a whole lot of information in your post. Yes, the US government worked on research on Coronavirus in 2014, it was preventive research. You seem to have just copied and pasted a story from Newsweek. The least you should have done is give them the proper credit. It is half truths like you post that create so much mistrust and doubt in our country. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502
Oh God, if people actually believe this crap, we’re all screwed.
Let’s call it what it REALLY is – THE TRUMP VIRUS!
Lee, you failed to mention, that President George W. Bush, upon leaving office, cautioned President Obama about a possible pandemic on the horizon. Based on President Bush’s intel, President Obama, opened a Pandemic Office and warned President Trump about the importance of being ready for a possible pandemic. President Trump, closed the Pandemic office in 2016 when he became president. His obsession with undoing anything with President Obama’s name on it was just another example of his “mis-administration”. He prefers to follow childish voodoo conspiracy theories that most adults mature out of around 12 years old. It was he who refused to “lead” and wear a mask for months, which is reprehensible. There is no medicine for stupid. There is lots of evidence which shows that a pandemic was on the horizon for decades. https://www.wired.com/story/an-oral-history-of-the-pandemic-warnings-trump-ignored/. Unfortunately, the TV host, plays golf constantly, doesn’t read his intel, and continue to hock medications which do not help fight this disease but fattens the wallets of wealthy contributors to his election who hold stock in this medication. Look at the polls. Do you think people who ignored doctors and scientists, followed the deniers, became ill and watched loved ones die are going to follow this man and return him to office? Not to mention, long-time health issues from this disease will follow those who have survived.
This is some cherry picked info that leaves out a lot of OTHER info in order to support a point of view that is reckless and dangerous. I could pick a yellow brick out of every 200th brick on a color-paved path and claim to have found the path to Oz—this is ultimately a peddling of conspiracy theories for the benefit of whom? To shift blame away from government oversight? Or simply shift Americans’ attention away from the dangers of the virus? It is a handy tool to be able to actually kill Americans with propaganda our own citizens disseminate.
Lee, please note that an “allegation” is not a truth. I allege that you’re a right wing nut who believes conspiracy theories. There. Now it’s true, right? Because I claimed it was?
Alright, let’s assume that the Chinese deliberately created this virus.
Congratulations. The Chinese waged biological war against the US, in the worst way possible, by first infecting themselves, then the Europeans, and then only months later, the US, and Trump lost the war so badly that the US has 150k dead.
This is like if the Japanese has conducted public war games where they were practicing attacking Pearl Harbor 3 months before they did, and 6 months after they attacked Pearl Harbor and took over half the west coast the President was still complaining that he shouldn’t be blamed, it should be the Japanese, and anyways it’s all fake and continue doing business, and those bombs falling on your head are media fake news.
How some people have convinced them that Trump losing 150 thousand American lives in a deliberate attack is better than trump losing 150 thousand American lives in a natural pandemic is beyond me.
He doesn’t just suck at taking natural viruses seriously then. He also basically laid down and allowed America to be ravaged by its attackers.
Lee,
I have a Ph.D in biophysics. I also know how difficult it is to change people’s minds. So I won’t bother offering an alternative viewpoint. I ask you merely update this forum your symptoms when you get infected.
All that may be true. But so what? The FACTS still remain that Trump, in a desperate bid to get re-elected, downplayed the threat this virus posed, ignoring it and blocking efforts to inform the public and to encourage effective measure to stop the spread — until it was too late. And people who are more concerned with their right to have a drink or get a haircut than with the well-being of their fellow human beings have furthered the spread of the virus.
Thank you, Tammie!
Steve- Yeah! No! No! -China Global Television Network(aka, CGTN) is tagged as a, “Chinese propaganda organisation”, by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Global_Television_Network
So, I guess it’s the fox news of China!
Yes, Tammye, well said.
Exactly. And it’s sad, frustrating, and irritating that a lot of Americans are no more than toddlers with hemorrhoids, screaming about BS, sans facts and reality.
Correct! People put small inconveniences like wearing a mask as higher priority than public health. Very sad.
“But Trump, in a desperate bid to get re-elected” I was waiting to see the anti Trump connection and I didnt have to read very far. Desperate? He had no clear reliable foe at the time this began so he had an easy and still does road back to the Office. I’m a democrat and believe this.
If you cannot see how desperate he is, maybe you cannot see why he would be desperate.
Well said Tammy
I disagree with you. Teump May have downplayed based on advise by so called experts like Fauci.
What you say is a “so called expert” is someone who has served 6 presidents with distinction, R and D.
Yes! Maybe he’s been on our side all along and is trying to kill off his voters???? Lmao.
It is actually the Chinese communist party that has caused the pandemic.
Tammye, You are right on the money about Trump scoffing the facts about Corona 19 virus because of his desperate quest to be reelected and if anyone cannot see the truth in this fact, they are delusional. Anyone could clearly see this happening back in February when we were all informed about the impending epidemic. Trump knew about it well before this and made a deliberate decision to close his eyes and ears to the facts and to downplay them. Others followed his mindless example of what not to do during a pandemic and our country has paid a high price for that. and will continue to do so into the future for an indeterminable length of time.
I was surprised to read/hear alot of people are not believing in the virus since October 2019 our president/government was aware of what was happening in China they new but not until Marc 2020was any action taken all the advisors working under our president if they don’t agree they are dismissed Americans what guidelines coming for our Government and if our current president cannot give us that assurance we as a nation to work for our rights this is not and should not be handled by each state it’s the responsibility of our government to set guidelines and should mention our God is in control and He will take total action We as a nation should be praying each/day to let our God know we do care and He will resolve this problem and use the brains God has given us to do our due diligence each day and follow these minor inconveniences for what ever time it takes Go with Peace
it’s people like you that are infecting people with their stupidity , and also getting people killed in the process. You bat shit crazy conspiracy theory idiots like trump a running this country into the ground with ya stupidity .
Exactly what you deserve.
After Trump in January declared a “humanitarian and security crisis” during a primetime Oval Office address, Sen. Chuck Schumer, speaking beside House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Trump was working to “manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.” Party leader Tom Perez also called it “manufactured.” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., described it as a “‘crisis’ that doesn’t exist.”
Sen. Elizabeth Warren tweeted at the time that “we’re not falling” for the “fake crisis.”
Jan 14 – the WHO (World Health Organization) sent out a tweet declaring that there is no evidence of human-to-human transmission of the COVID-19 virus.
Jan 24 – Dr. Anthony Fauci National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director said – “ Covid 19 It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about, because we have ways of preparing and screening of. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States, but it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously,”
On January 29, 2020 Joe Biden in a speech in Iowa said that Trump’s idea of restricting travel from China was “Xenophobic”.
January 30, WHO calls corona virus a healthcare emergency.
February 2 – New York City Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot, “The risk to New Yorkers for Coronavirus is low and our preparedness as a city is very high. There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday. I’m going to be there.”
February 24, 2020 Nancy Pelosi says from San Francisco’s China Town to come visit, it is safe and “there are no Coronavirus concerns”. Then SF became one of the epicenters of the disease.
Bill DiBlasio 03/2/20 “ I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives. Get out on the town despite Coronavirus.”
On March 9, 2020 Bernie Sanders said he would NOT, I repeat he said he would NOT shut down travel from March 20, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow (as well as NY Times) bash Trump for talking about Hydroxy Cloroquin calling it a “fairy tale” and giving people false hope. Now it is being sought after to fight the disease and is being tested as helping patients recover faster.
January 24 2020, Joe Scarborough and wife Minka had a segment where they said “no Americans need to be concerned about COVID-19 and should be more concerned about the common flu.
March 30, 2020 Morning Joe anchors say “everyone saw this coming in early January.Summary of Corona Events
trump has been doing everything he could to downplay the virus. you’re bragging about him taking this seriously by shutting down flights from china, but he wants to open up schools and doesn’t even encourage his followers to wear masks.
i’m not sure if you think this is still a hoax or not or if you believe the guy in the article or think he’s part of the deep state or whatever.
Rump is a bankrupt fool.all of his lackeys should get it but my grandkids will not go to a devos camp and die
..as far as this govt.it has all the markings of Germany in 30s and 40s.and again the people sit by idly and let a madman bark.
While is shut down travel from China, he allowed travel from Europe. Here in NYC, our strain of the coronavirus was brought in by those travels. March, April, and May were very difficult here, why didn’t Texas, Florida, and Georgia (among others) learn from our suffering? Because at the highest levels of government they minimized the danger and the spread. Oh, and it was a blue state. Family in Texas and Arizona were smug in those months because they were “safe.” Karma is a bitch.
And that’s another thing that is completely downplayed. That there are ALREADY two different COVID-19 viruses already in the US. One from China and one from Europe. But, sure, let’s call it all the “Chinese virus,” because that’s not racist, at all, and surely has no repercussions for those of Asian descent.
Get out of here…Trump has literally done nothing but cause divisiveness on the matter of this virus which is why it won’t be contained. He refuses to wear a mask and has contracted his own CDC so that people like you can go believing this is some conspiracy. If there was a physical enemy about to invade the US would not the US be prepared to fight it and protect Americans ? The virus is the invisible enemy and it’s very real. It doesn’t matter where it came from because it could have emanated from anywhere, but it is the presidents job to protect US citizens from both physical and invisible enemies, terrorist or virus. This president has washed his hands of that early on and his current ploy to promote mask wearing and reverse course after months of denying it’s even real or serious will not contain the spread because people like you believe everything this president says which have been all lies and falsehoods. Try facts for a change, this a global pandemic…how is it that trump supporters still think it’s a hoax or not serious? Oh wait, you won’t believe it till it happens to you!
Agree with you, Maria.
150,000 dead, at least half could have been saved if trump had not been obsessing about his poll numbers and the stock market, and lied to the American public about COVID19 being a Democratic hoax, or that it would just “disappear like a miracle”, or that masks were just worn as a sign of political defiance towards him.
As far as the so-called travel ban…not so. Before it was imposed on Feb. 2, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month, even though by then trump had already been warned in an intelligence briefing (oh, right, he doesn’t read them) of the risk of a pandemic. And the “ban” only prohibited non-U.S. citizens, not the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents who had recently traveled to China. Nor did it ban the importation of goods from China or the people who flew the planes and drove the boats that brought those goods.
I hope your sweet baby Jesus protects you and your family. He sure didn’t protect my cousin and my brother-in-law from dying a horrible death from it. As for me, I’m protecting myself and my family from further harm by voting this imbecile out of office on Nov 2!
Amen. He only cares now because it affected HIM. I have Zero sympathy, empathy. He followed the demon into hell. Being a trump supporter at this point in the game means you are a deplorable and selfish sub-human. Save your sorry ass story for someone who cares.
You need psychological help Gwen, spreading racist garbage and stupidity, you aren’t any definition of Christian, evangelical maybe, Christian? NO. I’m sorry for the suffering this man caused by his paranoid delusions, he should feel damn guilty!
Amen. He only cares now because it affected HIM. I have Zero sympathy, empathy. He followed the demon into hell. Being a trump supporter at this point in the game means you are a deplorable and selfish sub-human. Save your sorry ass story for someone who cares.
The author is a human who participated and regurgitated aweful, hatefiul speeh and actions. I have far more empathy for him than he has shown the rest of us.
Gwen, Gwen, Gwen. How have you not gone into a diabetic coma from drinking all that kool-aid?
I feel ZERO sympathy for the author. He made his bed.
The administration is doing the absolute bare-minimum to even be passable as a representative governmental body. If you believe that they are championing American citizens, you need to swing by Home Depot, buy yourself a shovel, and start digging your own grave now.
Feel sorry for the people who love and respected and trusted the author of this essay. They didn’t deserve this unless they felt like he did in the beginning. I got nothing for him. Its people like him that I can count the number of times I’ve gone out on one hand, since March. Its people like him who still believed in Trumps lies even though the truth on much of what he has said was out there in their faces. And worse they believed in this liar enough to put the their life and lives of others in danger. Point is things got worse because of people like the author of this essay. It no longer matter who started it. We can only hope and pray somebody is around to win this battle for our lives, respect and the sovereignty of the United States. Those who still want to come here is only because we have a bunch of greedy knuckle heads running this country and they hope to get a piece of the pie. What irks more than anything is people who believe the lies about accomplishments Trump claimed that were in place before he toke office. And how he let out people who are the worse of the worse to reek even more havoc in our communities. But frankly I’m glad they’ve reared their ugly heads so that I can recognize them. Even if we recover from this virus we still much more to recover from.
Hear, hear my friend!
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/how-white-house-coronavirus-response-went-wrong/613591/
Trump didn’t shut down flights from China.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/
(ii) any alien who is the spouse of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident;
(iii) any alien who is the parent or legal guardian of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that the U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident is unmarried and under the age of 21;
(iv) any alien who is the sibling of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that both are unmarried and under the age of 21;
(v) any alien who is the child, foster child, or ward of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, or who is a prospective adoptee seeking to enter the United States pursuant to the IR-4 or IH-4 visa classifications;
What a load of crap promoting the conspiracy theory that the Chinese Communist Party is responsible for the pandemic.. Trump and his administration failed to act and over 150,000 have died thus far because he screwed up with the likelihood that many thousands more will die in the future. Trump’s job is to defend his country and he has failed miserably just as he has failed in other areas such as calling out Russia for placing a bounty on American soldiers in Afghanistan.
I don’t see how anyone with a bit of intelligence can overlook that Trump is a traitor to this country and he cannot be removed from office quick enough to get a competent leader.
Then there are those in his administration who are also full of shit like his cocaine snorting economic advisor, Larry Kudlow who lied on television this Sunday that the economy is doing great. It says a lot about you that you support the turd.
100% correct, sir.
For those of you that are blaming Trump for the spread of the virus in the USA: He apparently spread the virus world-wide? Not the Chinese Government who tried to hide the virus and that it was being transferred human to human as late as mid-January?
No, trump didn’t spread it worldwide, we know this because those countries have only a fraction of the cases and deaths the US has.
Australia hasn’t even had a total of 18,000 cases whereas the US has had that every single day for the last 24 days. Look it up, we are the world’s hotspot because of this mismanagement from trump and republicans.
Brazil is getting close to US totals and why is that? They have the Brazilian-trump, dontcha know!
LOL….you cult member apologists really are comically idiotic.
Gwyn you twit, speaking as an Australian, if you can’t see how your presidents response totally buggered your country then you’re beyond saving old boy. The only thing American exceptionalism means these days is appeal to the lowest common denominator and a global shrug where everyone says ‘what the hell are they doing over there’.
COMMENT all of them, Rob. You can see it in the responses above. They’re all fools. JUST like the writer of this piece and they won’t be convinced until it’s them that has it. I just don’t understand how people can be so down their imaginary rabbit hole they don’t see what’s pretty plain and obvious to the rational.
I’ve thought about this a lot. It speaks to the power of !media in sharing opinions. If it was Trump alone, that would be one thing, but FOX, Breitbart, internet/social media, etc. I fear the internet, and all of its disinformation, may spell the death knell for the world’s democracies.
Please tell me this is satire?? Trump is a HUGE reason our country is now a true shithole. It IS bc of people like this and Trump and the “dont trample on my rights bullshit” that we will stay in this nightmare. The difference between him and us is that we pay attn to FACTS. we have empathy. We care about the rest of you. The others have to have their immediate families affected before it becomes important enough to change course. We will be waiting forever for the others then. Because they will contnue getting infected and infecting. Typical trump supporters. As long as their 401k is healthy and no one touches their guns the hell with the rest of us. I hope the rest of his family heals. I hope he contnues to speak out. But damn im tired of my life being restricted because they would rather believe the sociopath in the WH then top medical experts. If we could build a wall around all these people id be for that one…
Hmmmm no. He doesn’t deserve to have family die, but neither do people deserve to lose their jobs and have their kids miss school or starve. HE is why this pandemic is lasting so long. HE is literally the cause of why we can’t recover from it. And HIS ACTIONS are why so many others are suffering or having their lives irreparably altered.
So, yeah, it’s sad he lost family, but the world is losing so much more because of his selfishness.
Will you Trumpstains ever stop repeating Orange Adolf’s lies? He did NOT block all travelers from China. That’s a filthy lie no matter how many times he repeats it and no matter how many times his moronic worshipers parrot it.
The US response to this pandemic is the WORST in the world. How stupid do you have to be to continue with your cultish loyalty as the body count goes higher? Your idiot Prez said it was going to disappear months ago!
Grow a spine or a brain.
Wow are you living in a bubble! Trump has done NOTHING to help this go away. Sure, he shut down flights for Chinese nationals coming from China (3 months AFTER knowing of the corona virus), but he did not prevent OTHERS from flying. Others who had been exposed to the Chinese nationals that were not allowed to fly. He repeatedly called this whole thing a hoax. He refused to wear a mask because he didn’t want anybody to make fun of him. He is trying to force schools to open even though the levels of infected that caused school to close is still FAR higher.
Gwen, You are a fool. It isn’t even worth debating with your type anymore, and I sincerely hope that when Trump is gone, you and all people like you follow suit. Trump shut down flights from China… we were infected from flights from Europe…. He has since then single handedly made this disaster 10x worse… We originally were tracking 2 weeks behind Italy, almost to a tee. But, to appease people like YOU, and puff up his self righteousness, much like yours… We are now making Italy look like sheer genius.
This administration could only help us by committing suicide on live television… But Trump doesn’t even have the guts for that.
Trump is wholly and completely responsible for this man and his family’s suffering. Trump is responsible for the deaths of 149000 people. He prevaricated and lying while the country got sick so that he could protect his failure of a candidacy.
Gwen, you’re a pathetic, ignorant Hayseed.
China has dealt with their virus. So has the rest of Asia, Europe, etc. The only countries having this disaster are US, Russia and Brazil. All three led by the Axis of Fascism. So what we have left here is the Trump Virus. Trump and the GOP caused the disaster we have now. And still the GOP is anti-mask, anti-testing, anti-science. The GOP has destroyed our economy and our way of life. The GOP doesn’t do public health. At all. And what happens when the next pandemic hits? It’s sad to say, but it’s becoming increasingly clear there is no place for Republicans in a safe, stable, prosperous society.
Mr. Green…
I too am gay. When I saw you were also, and that you had believed this all to be ihe invention of democrats and the media, I just have to ask..How could you believe something that scientists and doctors, from all over the world, were corroborating -that Covid did indeed present a great danger? You obviously are an educated man..so how on earth could you have missed the steady drumbeat of information coming from science and medicine? Im flabbergasted that any American could buy the nonsense that is being touted by mostly conservative citizens as being some political inttique by Democrats and the media. Im sorry it took the infection of your family to learn something taught in most 5th grade health classes- That infectious diseases are created by viruses or bacteria, and not by the liberals and CNN..that that we can do things to medically respond to pandemics by social distancing and wearing mask. I certainly hope this lesson will also show you how incompetently the WH responded..and that you will continue to tell your story to other Covid deniers. You might have avoided all this if you listened to other TV stations or read other papers without a
rabidly pro-Trump POV.
I agree with you Mr MacDonald. What a way to learn a lesson… Years later Mr Green will have to explain how he came to terms with the virus. Even with the flu…. we are all careful… doesn’t it??? I certainly am (and we refers to it with the expression “as common as a cold”) still we are careful… now enters COVID19… and all of a sudden you have large swaths of the population denying and defying the virus just because the idiot at the white house says it. Good luck with that!!!
You dumb cockspattle, you dumbshit reprehensible sack of pus, you utterly horrible absolutely useless piece of shit.
I blame you for 150,000 deaths. You dirt, you scum, you utter failure at humanity.
NO ONE is accusing Trump of being responsible for *starting* COVID-19. That is a straw-man argument.
As President of the United States, however, Trump IS responsible for the federal RESPONSE to the virus. And the response has been miserable. The proof is in the pudding. While other countries like Germany and Vietnam and S. Korea, etc. are returning to a modicum of normalcy, the virus is out of control here because of people like the author. The correct response to the virus is not a secret – it is essentially a 6-8 week problem. You socially distance, wear masks, lockdown. Meanwhile, the federal government implements mass testing, contact tracing, isolation and treatment. Plus the President invokes the Defense Production Act to ensure that our first responders have everything they need. Difficult? Yes. Impossible? No.
Trump did NONE of those things. And with predicted – and predictable – results. Now we’re all paying the price.
#45 was a denier from day one. He doesn’t have an ounce of empathy because he’s a sociopath and a narcissist. He tried to close the barn door after the horse was out. His inaction cost thousands of lives. He will reap what he sowed on the American people and as you can see those deniers are dying off like flies. This guy at least decided to turn from his wicked ways and finally speak truth to power. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth before this is over.
Gwen is still living in a fantasy land where the rest of the world hasn’t already contained this.
Countries now are shutting down regions when they get 50 cases over a week… 50. Five. Zero. We had, what?, 58,000 yesterday alone?
In other words… pretending this was a “dem hoax” has doomed 150,000 Americans to die an early, painful, isolated death… and Gwen is pointing a finger at China… China who had zero-warning and still managed to mobilize a response that saw 4,500 deaths total. Even if you don’t believe their numbers – fine, tripple that number and they still saved 100’s of 1,000’s of lives vs the US.
We had *four months* of warning that this was real and it was coming. And Tr*mp did nothing. Worse than nothing, he pointed fingers at everyone else, he complained that this was all “made up” to hurt his campaign. Those deaths are on his watch… and to convince yourself otherwise is next level craziness.
How very Christian of you, this comment of yours.
Well, go ahead and send your dollars to a man and his family who should be ashamed of themselves to ask for help.
Why not ask your president who is such a know it all and his henchmen who are steadily destroying healthcare, the environment, your pensions and your medicare?
Or is it too much to ask to READ, turn off Fox Faux Poison news and to perhaps learn to use what should differentiate you as a human from all other animals: critical thinking? Try it, it’s really not that difficult to listen to different sources on a topic as important as CoVid.
Cheers me dears,
Gwen, STFU. You’re an idiot, just like the author of this article. i have ZERO sympathy for him. He made his bed, endangered others, likely got others sick, and Karma bit him in the nutsack. Frankly, I wish more of the people like him would get this and we could be done with idiots in this country.
Gwen, rotflmao… Trump deserves our praise and gratitude? Gtfoh
Gwen: Trump did nothing to stop the virus from spreading. Let me remind you, trump said the virus was a hoax. He also said the virus would just go away. He refused to wear a mask. He failed our country “bigly”, which he has done time and again. Because of the remarks trump has made regarding the virus, he’s supporters believe him and follow his lead. The gentleman who wrote this article followed trump’s actions and look we’re it got him and his loved ones.
150,000 dead, at least half could have been saved if trump had not been obsessing about his poll numbers and the stock market, and lied to the American public about COVID19 being a Democratic hoax, or that it would just “disappear like a miracle”, or that masks were just worn as a sign of political defiance towards him.
As far as the so-called travel ban…not so. Before it was imposed on Feb. 2, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month, even though by then trump had already been warned in an intelligence briefing (oh, right, he doesn’t read them) of the risk of a pandemic. And the “ban” only prohibited non-U.S. citizens, not the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents who had recently traveled to China. Nor did it ban the importation of goods from China or the people who flew the planes and drove the boats that brought those goods.
I hope your sweet baby Jesus protects you and your family. He sure didn’t protect my cousin and my brother-in-law from dying a horrible death from it. As for me, I’m protecting myself and my family from further harm by voting this imbecile out of office on Nov 2!
hear hear!!
Bs.. Gwen.. this wouldn’t have gotten as bad if it wasn’t for Trump!! Constantly downplayed it and never took it serious. He did not bother at all to do anything until it was too late. No progress has been made! We are worse now and we shouldn’t have been anywhere near these numbers. If the writer didn’t care about his life, fine, yet he put his own faint at risk.. but that’s not just on him. His family it seems thought it was a hoax’s too and see what happened. Karma
The fact that you don’t get is that fat Donnie is the antichrist. It’s so easy to,see. Yet instead, you see Jesus. Other than being made of flesh and blood, Trump and Jesus have nothing in common. Nothing. If you can’t see that, you know nothing about Jesus. Nothing.
Now that is funny. I guess you’re one of the deniers. Trump is doing all he can? He didn’t do a god damn useful thing. Quit lying to yourself. Google the clips of him calling it a democratic hoax. Look up the clips of him saying we have 15 cases and it will just disappear. He dismantled the pandemic response team. Remember his I take no responsibility quote? Trump has been less than useless.
Ha, Thank Trump for 23 times ignoring Covid-19 starting in January & continues to today- No National plan of Action !! You must have drank the “Cool-Aid” –
You have got to be kidding me. No Benedict Donakd did not cause the virus but he has plenty of blood on his hands for calling it a democratic hoax. And doing nothing for over 2.monthsvto help the situation! I can sure tell you are a lying repug just like dump the trump. You should be ashamed of yourself for following this racist traitor and still believing in him. People like you should have never been born and there is no way you are a follower of God or Jesus or the bible!
Trump and his sycophants have only exacerbated the problems with this virus. He has done next to nothing to help. His only concern is how it makes him look. He’s a narcissist and the world revolves around him and him alone. You don’t matter to him, I don’t matter to him, the only thing that matters is himself and his money. Please educate yourself, and wear a mask and wash your hands.
Gwen 0- I feel nothing but sadness for you. You are a pathetic human being who can type. You need to learn from facts – not Trump or Fox. My guess is you do not read. As Trump would say “Sad”.
It is not up to you either to trivialize the comments and FEELINGS made by Mitch. Thing is…while we are all here on this earth for a short while I do not welcome the carelessness of trump’s efforts at discount the dangers of this virus…to this place now of almost 150,000 dead. It is too late to apologize. The dead cannot hear what his sorry heart has to say.
The administration was briefed about the virus October / November and all its possible human and economic consequences By the Dept of Defense. …and then “notified officially” by WHO first week January. And again by Peter Navarro.. early Jan. Some senators notified big donors to dump Hotel and Recreation stocks as they did . Flights were closed to China late January ..but not all. Thousands went back and forth after the ban..but no matter because our epidemiologists say both our coasts were affected by European travelers. But the most grievous aspect of what you did not say.. was the deliberate and concerted action to minimize the viruses danger and contagiousness. We were told it was no big deal..a hoax.. a conspiracy.. and as late as two weeks ago that gathering was ok.. masks were not needed.. rallies were held.. distancing signs removed. We were told we had great testing and enough resources to protect. The virus that was wrecking havoc around the globe was hyped up and we were led to believe it would not ravage our shores and as it was doing just that…… we were told it was not. The real hoax continues today. We know who is accountable.
You are an idiot.
this is poignant about the virus
https://gen.medium.com/coronavirus-made-a-big-mistake-invading-the-greatest-goddamn-country-on-earth-9d136359b41f
Give me a break!
He gave massive tax breaks to millionaires, billionaires and huge corporations while:
1) he disbanded the cabinet level Pandemic Response Team.
2) de-funded the CDC people in China (what good would they have done, right??!!)
3) ignored the PANDEMIC PLAYBOOK (aka Pandemics for Dummies).
Why did he throw that in the trash? Because it came from OBAMA’s administration. DJT’s tiny corrupt traitorous hands are soaked in blood. He called it a “hoax”, said it would “be down to zero cases soon”, etc, etc.
STOP APOLOGIZING FOR A TRAITOR WHO HAS BOTCHED THE RESPONSE TO COVID-19.
Gwen you are deluded. While Fearless Leader didn’t iport this virus, he has not done what he should have. He ignored it when it was 1st here and passed it off as no big thing. He ignored the existing pandemic information. He could not be bothered to lead a countrywide unified program to prevent the spread.. He has proliferated quack cures and minmized he dangers. He somehow has an idea that sending the kids back to sclhool and opening everything up will get him reelected. I could go on and on but I doubtt you would give up or change your mind. Just keep in mind that Gpd gave us intelligence, so that we could understand the science of what is happening and how to follow what the health officials adise.
Thanking tRump? Have you lost your mind? It’s due to his lack of leadership that we’re this far in the COVID hole. Don’t be fooled, he cares about nothing except his re-election.
Gwen Gwen Gwen…… You don’t realize you are using( spewing) the same words the author of the article was using back in March April, May and June.
Thanking Trump for all he ‘s doing to save American lives? How do you classify NOTHING as all he’s doing? You are deluded. Try reading an actual newspaper–Washington Post, New York Times, Atlanta Journal…any big city newspaper–and get some facts into your head before you babble on about the things the worst president ever and the worst world leaders since Pol Pot is doing.
You are still trying to defend your evil Lord Trump.He called it a hoax and delayed action
He is a murderer and you are an accomplice Enjoy hell
Gwen, your response is horrifying; no political party or state “caused” the pandemic. Politics did, however, have a strong, and harsh impact on how we responded. Trump has done worse that nothing to stop this pandemic; he has exacerbated it. His administration did NOTHING until late MAY, and even then he kept spouting nonsense and presenting quack cures. His administration is doing its very best to kill off as many folks as it can. How dare you suggest that people should appreciate that.
trump could have stopped the virus last Nov, Dec, Jan, as was done. with the Ebola outbreak and H1N1, but alas that takes leadership, intelligence and humility.
Seriously thanking Trump, are you daft? In his typical racist fashion he stopped flights from the “Kung Flu” country of China, this strain has been proven to come from Europe. He high jacked desperately needed PPE and ventilators to give it out to red state sycophant governors. This ass of a president has no plan because anything Obama did to help if this should happened, has been shit canned by a petty egotistical, infantile abomination.
Thank him for what; deliberately contributing to the deaths 147,000+ people and now he wants schools opened. You are just as blind as the original poster was.
And God gave you a brain, how about using it for something other than a mass to keep your head from caving in.
Hey Gwen, I think you’re almost out of Kool-Aid. The majority of our cases came from Europe. And despite you’re ill/Fox-informed claims, Trump called the virus a hoax, said it would “magically disappear” by April, and said people should ingest bleach as a preventative. But you’re right, he’s just been amazing. 🙄
Gwen- Covid-19 is NOT China virus as Trump is calling it. It is a new virus that is being learned. The Trump administration has great fault in the our hospitals being overwhelmed and the curve not flattening. The rapid spread in turn impairs how quickly we can learn about this pandemic. Instead of seeing trends some have had to choose which patient lives. At least there are many school boards that didn’t take the illegal threat of not funding them from the President and they see the need to slow/prevent spreading this virus.
Trump didn’t cause the virus. But his response was awful. Going back to 2 years ago, he fired the pandemic team that was in place in the white house. At the time, people warned that this was not a smart thing to do. Then when the virus hit, instead of putting time and effort into fighting spread, he put his effort into calling it a hoax and saying it was totally under control. There was a pandemic plan that the previous administration had prepared. He ignored it. Trump’s response actually worsened the outbreak many times over. And it continues. But demanding that everyone goes back to school in August or September, he is playing right into the virus’ hands. Trump is not a leader – he is a misleader.
Gwen you haven’t learned a damn thing from this article.
Nobody said that trump started this pandemic. But many people believe that he has mishandled it. He denied the seriousness of it then and still does today. He never banned all flights from China as soon as he heard because its documented that the administration knew about this the first week of January. The flight restrictions not a ban started on February 4th. There were many exceptions to what flights that could come here. And I personally would go on orbitz in April and check flights and we still had a few flights coming here going to Seattle, why I have no idea. The man suggested drinking bleach, he wants to open schools during a pandemic.
You’re right. Trump didn’t start the virus, but he sure as h–l could and should have gotten after it months before he even did a single thing and now he’s tearing the country apart with his antics in Oregon. He is single handedly responsible for many thousands of deaths, and he will be responsible for many more thousands before he’s done. I would say the same thing if it was Barack Obama. This virus has absolutely no place for politics. As for God, I am as big believer as the next, but why has God allowed 150,000 people to die because of a few people? Why doesn’t he take those people instead. It’s time we do what is necessary to get this virus under control. I don’t think the president will do a thing with it, and the congress are complicit with him. We are in a mess folks…..
Stuff your support for this inept, moron of a president.
Republicans,Conservatives, are all the same. This pandemic is a “hoax” until it affects them directly. Honestly, we can’t wait for each and every stupid RepCon to get the virus and pass it to others before they have a “come to Jesus” moment. Your side needs to wake up, shut up and practice all of the health measures necessary to ease this virus.
Imagine if Donnie took action in those precious days of February instead of downplaying what was evolving in the rest of the world. He had a preview right before his eyes on what was coming and he elected to close his eyes . To say Donnie is doing all he can and we should thank him is a joke, and total separation from reality.
What world do you live in? The Trump admin is doing nothing and Don Jr. is spreading fake covid advice.
President Trump was so excited to find something alleging he wasn’t wrong about hydroxychloroquine that he retweeted a clearly bogus demonstration by fake doctors touting it’s usefulness, among other things.
It does not help the situation when the President forwards bogus information to his 84 million followers on Twitter. It does not help when he expounds about medical issues, about which he is ignorant. His misinformation only aggravates the public’s confusion and mistrust.
https://c19study.com/
Americans are absolutely hilarious! No Gwen, the CCP did not cause this virus, it is just your silly mind that has dreamt up a story & decided to believe what one video says. Unless you can show me a degree in immunology, just shut your mouth. Because ignorant people like you are the cause of the disaster that is hitting America. You have no concept of the huge big hole that has been dug by your Administration. The rest of the world is laughing themselves wet at the USA right now. You carry on living in your narrow little world & leave the rest to the people with big shoes. Like Mitch and a few other Americans learnt, when you don’t listen to common sense and spout ‘my rights’ you really do land up looking like a twat.
Thanking Trump? You people really are the delusional sheep you mock.
Oh yes Gwen, when all else fails blame the yellow slant eyed peril. Get a hold of yourself for Gods sake. You don’t have to blame anyone. Understand that the facts are bold and honest enough to speak for themselves. And then to add insult to injury, you summarily proceed to speak in the name of Jesus! Shame on you.
The virus was not caused Trump. However, Trump, Tony and everyone else who thought they were smarter than the scientists and doctors deserve a lot of blame for the situation we are in now. The US leads the world in cases and deaths! People thought it was a hoax and spread it! They were stupid and got people killed. Tony didn’t care about people getting sick until it happened to his family. Trump didn’t care about people getting sick because it hurt the economy. Both are to blame for this! If you voted for this reality TV star, you bare some of the blame as well. Third world countries have handled this better than the US.
Wake up Gwen, your fearless leader is not doing all he can and hasn’t really cared about the virus except that it hurt his reelection. Mitch M. is correct in what he says. The reason we are in the situation we are in is because if stupidity. I love my neighbor, I just can’t stand the one’s pushing lies like you.
Respectfully Gwen, I’m sure the families of the over 140,000 of American citizens who have died because this current administration downplayed the effects of covid will be very comforted by your words.
Trump supporters think they are immune to COVID-19, but stupidity and ignorance are not cures and will not prevent you or your loved ones from getting sick. The economy decreased nearly 30% last quarter, the largest decline ever on record, but keep blaming the Chinese. Nowhere on earth have more people died or had a worse economic impact. Why hasn’t this disrupted the rest of the world? Why isn’t Europe up in arms over China? Why did Taiwan, S Korea and Japan not have the catastrophic effects of this, when they were infected earlier?
Gwen – your blindness to the abject failure of Leadership by trump is what keeps this pandemic killing us in ever soaring numbers. Your “conspiracy theory” Communist China viewpoint has been debunked, yet people Ike you continue to push this misinformation in an an effort to distract from the failure of our government to protect us. The politicization of this disease has cost needless Americans, and there is no one to blame for this depraved indifference but trump.
Gwen, You are part of the problem.
You are absolutely delusional. Bless your heart.
Gwen – this is the trump virus that originated in China. He did nothing and now we 150,000+ dead and over 4 million cases. Wake up and get your news from several sources and not just fox.
It is true that President Trump did not “cause” this pandemic. But he certainly made it ten times worse than it needed to be. He did almost nothing in January through March, except for the partial China ban which had lots of holes. His claim in March that “everyone who wants a test can get a test” is an imaginary version of what he should have been doing. He has never provided adequate testing like in countries that are well run. He completely bungled his March Oval Office speech, so that a week later our airports were full of people packed in like cattle for four or five hours coughing on one another. His refusal from April through June to wear a mask helped spread the virus. He encouraged and pressured states to open sooner than they should’ve. Now he is pressuring schools to open. He has no concern for the suffering of other human beings. He boasts that the Stock Market is high, when 150k are dead and 4.3M are infected, and those numbers could double.
You’re right, Trump didn’t cause the pandemic but he boasted and bragged and did absolutely nothing. There was no plan and there is no plan. Look outside of this country. Sure, they gets spikes and outbreaks but they are resuming life because their governments governed. Trump isn’t the cause but having him in office during a crisis has proven to be disastrous. Maybe we should have people in government who actually want to govern?
Gwen, keep drinking that GOP/Trump kool-aid. People like you will destroy the US in record time.
Gwen you’re an idiot.
Gwen …
are you really so naive that you think Trump and most of the republicans guard are more worrried about the cure .. and the people of this country .. or are they more concerned about getting those little cogs back to work ..? …
it is evident in thr push push .. shove .. non answers .. over the opening of schools … if we really cared about the people of this country . .. he would be finding ways to support the people .. and have Children .. not have to go back to school a place that time and time has proven to be a match to a fire .. when to comes to corona virus … Trump doesn’t care about your children or mine .. or anyone’s … he cares about his bank account .. that is all this presidency is to him .. period ..
To give Trump and his followers a free pass would be ludicrous; Trump pushed the virus as a hoax and downplayed it as he admitted; Trump is to blame for our slow response and lack of a national strategy. More than 145K Americans have needlessly died on his watch . I feel for Tony as no one should have to suffer through what he and his family suffered through, especially when it was avoidable. The question is, what is being done to prevent and avoid this for others? Not enough, the lack of leadership at the national level has caused this to be worse than it should have been; Many other nations have done much better and are on there way to some type of normalcy while we flounder in failure.
No The Trump Administration has completely failed America on handling Covid19 for all the world to see.
Tammy,
Maybe you should stop wearing masks.. and have big parties too… Trump thinks it is a good idea.
China did not cause the virus. They were the ones to get hit first. It is now believed to have started in Southeast Asia. The current Administration has thrown up its’ collective hands and said “Not my Responsibility.” It’s not okay. This is why we are struggling. This should never have been about politics, yet it has been made so through denial, by saying it’s “Not my job”, by not allowing relief. You can believe whatever you want, but not being a good neighbor, friend, or family member, everyone is placed in danger.
Hey Gwen,
You should show these Liberals by not wearing a mask and have parties… Trump will love you and will sure that save you a ventilator when you need it. Come on..
Keep it in church where it belongs.
Gwen,
You are an idiot and must only watch Fox News. For you to say we should be thanking Trump for his misinformed or lying to the public about wearing masks or the severity of this illness(only the flu per him). You shoul also be ashamed of the misinformation in your response. From the lack of support the administration showed to Democrat States per Mr Trumps response he has done nothing but to politicize his response . If you don’t see that then you should find another news channel to watch that is more open.
Lol. Chinese communist Party did not Cause this. You are no better than that which you write to criticize. Please cite your source.
Also, please review the “hoax” , anti-mask, disinfectant injecting (just to make a few) comments by Trump before you pat him in the back and expect the citizens of the US to hail him as a great saver of lives.
while Trump did not cause the pandemic he is responsible for making mask wearing a political issue, refusing to wear one until last week, promoting the view that masks are for weak libs and that real Americans don’t wear masks, an dgenerally spreading the widely held view among republicans that Covid is overhyped and not as serious as leftist media makes it seem.
So yes, he didn’t cause it and this would have been terrible regardless if who was POTUS, but it’s his failure that led Mr. Green and millions like him to think Covid is like the flu, overhyped , impacts only the already dying, and to walk around without a mask. We’ll never know how many died because of that exactly, but it is many thousands I am sure, including the woman in Mr. Green8s circle.
No one likes to wear masks, but it’s a really, really small sacrifice. This is something that happens once a century. How about we err on the side of caution?
just go drink your clorox/chloroquine cocktail and quit stumpin for dotard
lol
Gwen, you can’t be serious? tRUMP has spent more time on the golf course than he has spent working with the experts who could have helped slow the spread of the virus to a manageable rate, like virtually every other civilized nation in the world has done. from the first day he was denied and trivialized the virus. He has insisted on reopening the economy while the virus was still raging, as a result we have more cases, hospitalizations and deaths than we did when the virus first got out of controlled.
kill yourself, Gwen
Well, this is just disturbing …. you are now a part of the problem moving forward, not a solution.
Go kiss Trump’s ass someplace else. He is responsible for much of the bad associated with this deadly virus for his handling of it. And those like the author of the article are just as guilty as Trump for causing the deaths of so many in o ents and those who believe in science. His apology is too little too late. He should be ashamed for knowingly sickening and killing family members.
This entire story makes me sick to my stomach. I struggle to find sympathy for arrogant selfish ignorant people. How in God’s name can anyone believe this is a hoax if the entire world is infected?! It’s selective arrogance and self serving politicization. This horrible man has not only infected he and his partner’s families, he has infected those they come in contact with. I have gone to great lengths in the past four months to keep myself and my daughter safe. I lost my job, I don’t go out, yet I see fools like this one partying, going to bars, working out, no masks or any regard for anyone other than themselves. My sister is high risk and my brother in law has taken extreme measures to keep her alive. And idiot trump supporting fools like this have put the entire country at risk. I am furious with this fool of a president and his moronic, idiot base who selectively pick & choose which constitutional amendments suit their childish whims of entitlement. They all have caused our country, once the greatest nation in the world to be thee most infected and suffer the highest mortality rate of every country in the world.
My God so well said Lisa, hopefully we are so furious enough that we fight through the difficult voting that they are going to make us go through in standing in long lines to get this demon and his family gone. His legacy will be all the blood on his hands from dead Americans. He already has that and yet he does not shed 1 tear or sadness when he speaks his BS.
He trivialized everyone else’s life …
Gwen… Your ignorance is astounding on so many levels it makes me head spin. Here are the points that show just how stupid, ignorant and hypocritical you are:
1. your racist, bigoted comments saying this is a Chinese disease and anger should be toward them
2. Saying that Trump is doing all he can to say lives? Are you kidding me? Because he took so long to respond to the seriousness of this virus he has caused thousands of deaths not saved them. Remember this Tony Greene moron called it a hoax and where do you think he got that idea from? Can you say TRUMP???
3. Love not hate, peace not anger? Have you listened to all the hate Trump has for all those not white?
Like most Trump supporters especially this Tony Greene dude, (who by the way is gay and it boggles my mind how he could support Trump) you follow his lies blindly like sheep.
Get a clue Gwen and stop throwing religion into the equation. It just makes you sound like a complete hypocrite.
Regardless of where the virus first made the leap to humans, now it’s Trump and the Tony Greens of the world that are enabling this virus to continue to ravage our country. By June 1st we had all seen the situation in New York, California, Spain, Italy, South Korea, on cruise ships, etc. etc. and there’d been ample opportunity to learn from the mistakes & successes of others. I’m happy Tony has finally seen the light, but good grief, why do you need to be hit over the head with something in order to wake up. I think Mitch’s anger is justified. We’re all paying the price for the mass ignorance right here in our own country.
Gwen, being an apologist for the buzzard watching EVEN THE WORST illness this country has faced in my lifetime & seeing PROFITS being made by his family, his cronies, tax money given to churches who pay NO TAXES … No matter what the crisis chump manages to make money for his network of crooks & cons he loves so much! NOTHING he has done has been at the head of the programe.. He has dragged his feet on doing the right thing from day one. EVEN BEFORE DAY ONE… HE TOSSED OUT the fully vetted ROAD TO WELLNESS Obama left him & in my considered opinion he is directly responsible of all 150 THOUSAND DEAD!!
Good leadership would have stopped this months ago. Mr. Trump escalated it. And he emboldened this author to behave irresponsibly. Now his whole family is will and some are dead. He is ill. And “recovery” may not be a possibility for any of them because Covid 19 is not a standard virus and we do not know how to contain it. Consequences of actions. Personal accountability starting at the top level is fundamental for a functioning society. The rest of us who carefully say little and try not to harm others are paying the price. Is financial compensation in order? Not from taxpayers, but from perpetrators.
Seriously? We should be thanking that 🍊💩 stain? His inaction, his OWN denial, ( it was a hoax, remember?) is what has gotten us to this point.
I’m sorry for this mans losses- I hope his loved ones memory are a blessing. Some people just have to learn the hard way.
GWEN is just as heartless, CALLOUS, obtuse and bigoted as stupid trump.
You are so freaking delusional.
Gwen, I think you have done us all a service by illustrating a good part of the problem. I expect you share many values with your critics, but you differ on the facts I expect the many facts you get wrong or misinterpret are due to your attachment to President Trump, the news sources from which you get your information and your Facebook and other friends. Below are some facts which you can check out for yourself.
The virus seems to have traveled from animals to humans in China. There is no credible evidence that it was human made nor that it escaped from a lab in Wuhan China. There is only conspiracy theorizing. Scientists tell us that there is no chance it was human made but the possibility that a virus being studied in the lab at Wuhan escaped cannot be scientifically ruled out even though there is no evidence for it
The Chinese didn’t immediately disclose the information about the breakout to the world, though they did relatively quickly and other countries, including the U.S. had plenty of time to prepare. I’m ignoring the great danger the virus posed the Chinese did the same thing that Trump did; they failed early on to acknowledge the problem and downplayed its likely severity. Trump failed this country in the same way that the Chinese leadership originally failed theirs. But the CCP instituted a massive social isolation response and got the virus more or less under control though it still is a threat. Trump initially came out against against effective isolating responses and masks and continued his opposition in some respects until this day. The CCP, however great its flaws, took responsibility for a unified state response. Trump denied responsibility and left it to the states to come up with their own piecemeal solutions. Trump to this day has refused to invoke the Defense Production Act to ensure that we have an adequate supply of PPE and the materials we need for necessary testing.
Trump’s China flight ban still allowed more than 40,000 people to enter from China. The exceptions were in large measure justified in the same way that it was right to allow Americans and some others to leave infected cruise ships. What was not justified was to allow these people to enter from China without being strictly quarantined for two weeks to ensure they were no Covid carriers. Moreover, even if the ban had been complete Trump has exaggerated the lives saved. Most of the spread in this country and most deaths have been traced to a variant of the virus that cane not from China but from Europe. Trump took much longer to ban entry from Europe and by then community spread here was beyond control.
The sad part of your commentary for me and from the knowledge that you write for millions is that I am sure that we are in many respects on the same page. We want to control the virus and we also want to know where things went wrong here so that we can make needed course corrections and avoid similar horrors on the future. But when people don’t do substantial research into credible sources, when their views are distorted by an overwhelming desire to exonerate our President from responsibility and when certain media and other influence sources often for their own self-interest ( think big bucks) are happy to spread misinformation in return for viewers and clicks our common interests become submerged in controversy and the nation becomes yet more divided by a crisis that should be bringing us together.
I do feel sorry for the columnist because he has been devastated because he uncritically accepted the same kind of information Gwen has submitted as fact, no doubt because similar exposure to right wing propaganda and similar affection for Trump.
OMFG did you learn NOTHING from this article??????????
Working to come up with a solution?? Actually doing all they can to NOT find a solution except that which would get 45 and the Republican Administration re-elected. Hope they get the boot but good. Another henchman finds out the hard way that science rules.
Whatever, Gwenkya.
A virus looks for any human inhabitant. Covid spread through people traveling. The outbreak in New York came from Italy. Proven by DNA sequencing. Travel was banned from China but that didn’t stop the spread from Europe. The reason we, in the USA , cannot contain and stop the spread is the political climate that makes people believe this is a hoax. Too many leaders of states and cities worried about the economy. They were willing to sacrifice the lives of those who could not stay home. Work from home only works for White Collar workers. If the entire country would of gone into Lockdown like many states did for 2 months, this would have been over. But, we in the USA believe The Home of the Free means to care only for yourself and social fun.
Gwen,
What alternate universe are you living in. The reason Mitch’s family is in COVID ruins is because #45 did nothing. 45 down played the seriousness of the virus, 45 ridiculed the experts and chose the economy over lives. This administration was left a playbook on what to do in case of a pandemic and there was a team of experts in place to recognize early the signs of an outbreak and move ahead of it. What did the IDIOT IN CHIEF DO, he fired the team, tossed the playbook and did NOTHING!!! So please don’t spout BS about this administration doing anything positive about COVID.
no trump did not cause this virus but his LIES, incompetence and corruption made it much worse and has undoubtedly cost lives.
Mitch has every right to be angry at trump and his trumpers. The country should have been shut down as soon as the pandemic started. But trump did nothing. It was a hoax thought of by democrats, remember. He left it to the governors of each state. And of course so called republican governors joined his cult and also did nothing. trump is the most pathetic human being to ever live.
He’s a human being that almost killed the parents of an infant. being forgiving is nice and all, but to we allow people to run around almost killing the parents of infants? And when people do such things, do we judge them or do we just let them continue in their behavior?
And at the same time Trump encouraged the behavior that almost killed the parents of an infant.
Gwen, you are another Bit Ship Crazy who has drunk the Trump Coolaid
The truth in my statement sucks. Doesn’t it? There is nothing here that states nothing but the truth. If you were a true Christian, you would recognize that. So keep your “Jesus is the way” BS to yourself. And don’t shove it down my throat.
You are an idiot.
Seriously. You think Trump has done enough? Didn’t the columnist say how wrong the Trump approach of denial is? Are you seriously so stupid that you believe what you typed? Jesus has nothing to do with this discussion honey—using your brain does.
O MG what a complete load of crap! Trump is doing all he can to save American lives?? By undermining the medical professionals at every turn? By constantly tweeting dangerous conspiracy theories and outright falsehoods? Gwen you have your head up your ass so far you can’t tell up from down, take that brainless propaganda somewhere else. It’s ignorant people like you that have hoisted upon this country that immoral jackass, wtg!
Well said. There are so many factors coming into play and to blame President Trump just what the Democrat governors are doing is like being a child who cannot accept responsibility for poorly managing the crisis.
Gwen, are you nuts! Shut down all flights from China. The virus has been in Europe since at least March of 2019. Just because a doctor in Wuhan discovered it and identified it doesn’t mean it came from China. If you leave your suitcase with Coppertone® Sunscreen in the airport in Rio, and they find it, does that mean your sunscreen came from Brazil. Spanish virologists found COVID-19 in sewer water samples collected in Spain in March of 2019 (not 2020). This means that the virus was spreading in Spain in March of 2019. Since then, it has been found in sewer water samples in Italy and France from times before their first recorded COVID-19 deaths. Nobody else seems to want to cover this story because it doesn’t fit with Trump’s narrative. If you don’t believe me, please google (Spain COVID-19 Sewer) and you will find tons of articles reported all over Europe about this. This is not a conspiracy theory. And why no one is testing US sewer water samples from last year, I have no idea. This also explains why it seems to have spread so instantly from China in December all around the world within days. If actually it’s been spreading around the world causing death for a year, but not correctly identified. If that doctor in Wuhan hadn’t identified it, this would have never happened. We’d all still just think this was a really bad flu season.
It was the Communist China Party (CCP). Really, did you ever read the essay? Repeating these political slogans instead of thinking critically is why we’re in this mess. Trump told people in a Tweet on March 5 (Look it up) that this was just like flu, while doctors, scientists, the media reported what was happening in Italy and elsewhere. If your leader had warned you, you’d have been ok. Why do you think it’s only his followers who lambaste scientists and the media as “spreading fear”? He still sends messages that it’s exaggerated and such. Read the essay. It’s real. You may not like it, but it is. In China they told people at first that doctors and the media were exaggerating, something people still say here. Care about people, not politicians.
He needs to live with the guilt! I pray he lives a long life and is tormented day and night by knowing the suffering he has caused by his stupidity!
He follows a man occupying the Whitehouse that, in my opinion, is a TERRORIST. What “values” does he hold if he follows a man like this!
I certainly dont want him representing me in anyone’s gay community, he holds no values of ours!
Again, I wish him mental anguish every minute of his petty, miserable, selfish life.
Gwen, get your facts checked.. Dump doesn’t care one iota about you let alone American lives!!! When he shut down China travel, he left open Europe… where were the Chinese coming from, during the ban? Yep…Europe… he eventually shut down Europe, but it was MONTHS to late. rather than fight to curb the pandemic, he dismantled the organization built by Obama, why?, because he is a black man., then and even now, spends more time on a golf course than in the White House……he only cares about his pockets being lined.. This man is no more a president than you or I…:unfit, unqualified, and def doesn’t have the demeanor nor compassion, to even be a human being!!!
Gwen, it matters not one little bit that the virus came from China. What matters it the utter failure of Trump to LEAD once it was clear it was coming here. We should be out the far side of this insanity, but as in Feb & Mar, Trump still says “everything’s great”. We should have a much lower fatality rate had we not “exploded open” the various states economies, which will now have to shut down again, Trump owns this, no matter how much he says he doesn’t, no matter how he punts to the states to handle it, JUST SO HE DOESN’T HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, just like he has never taken responsibility, for anything, not once, throughout his presidency.
You need to open your eyes, learn to use GOOGLE and stop watching Fox News.Trump shut some from China but 40,000 came in after he shut down part. Read between the lines, Everything Trump does to enrich himself and his rich friends.
Gwen, While you are correct that Trump did not cause this pandemic, he went for several months down playing it as a “Democrat Hoax – it isn’t nothing worse then the common flue, and on and on and on. Because of his slow response we are in the mess we find ourselves today. Leadership starts at the top and no one at the top has shown any leadership, especially Donald Trump…. You really should pull your head out of the sand. Reynolds Wrap called and said you tin foil hat is ready
It is people like you and this idiot who poo poo the severity of this virus. How many more will have to pay the price for people like this guy and you thinking it is no big deal, it’s a hoax, it won’t affect me or my family. How many people have died and how many more will have to become sick and perhaps die before you wake up and realize how stupid you have been?.. Please spare us your Jesus crap, perhaps you should have listened and you would of heard him telling you to stop being stupid and take the virus seriously.
I appreciate your position, but you are just wrong!! Trump’s ostrich-like posture of pollyannishly hyperbolizing the miracle solution while downplaying the risk and scapegoating others is one of the greatest contributors to the continued willful ignorance of millions. I understand we cannot be anywhere but where we are and must trust others to give use the news of the other places. Some Americans willingness to be lied to in comfort of their “righteous anger” is another part of the issue at hand. Having said this, Trump still bears the bulk of the responsibility for this outbreaks ravishment of our country. I am 46 years old and have seen no fewer than 13 viruses ravage various countries around the globe in my time on this planet, but find it funny that the only one other than AIDS/HIV to make it here is the one that occurred on Trump’s watch. Also, AIDS/HIV came here under Reagan during his antagonistic demonization of homosexuals as pariahs who could be sacrificed and as long as the virus affected only them, who cares?!?!? Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
Gwen, Trump has messed this up at every turn. The virus came through Europe, not China. Trump didn’t create the virus. But, he removed the pandemic team that could have gotten a handle on this earlier, he has downplayed its seriousness throughout, he lies about hydroxichloroquine, disinfectants, number of cases, how serious the virus can be even if you don’t die. He offloaded all responsibility to states, counters medical experts and epidemiologists, did not wear a mask until recently, etc, etc… the only gratitude for me is some people waking up to the horror show that is in the Whitehouse. We have the worst response on the planet and you are still defending him. Not cool in any way.
Gwen, Mitch is completely right about everything he or she posted. It took almost 6 months for the leader of your country to come out and support wearing a mask! He argues with governors that are looking to him for help in leading them through this tragedy. He started a buying war between states for PPE because he couldn’t put a national strategy together like other countries have done!
Had he just come out at the very beginning and said, “wear a mask, listen to your government officials, stay home and heed the warnings from the experts.”, then people wouldn’t be following his lead about it being a hoax and spreading the virus far worse than any other country on the planet. The rest of us around the world are looking at the US as WHAT NOT TO DO in the event of a global pandemic because leadership matters more now than any other time. The reality of what Mitch is trying to explain is that your country would be in much better shape had they only had the leadership it needed right from the beginning but because it didn’t, the US is probably 100 times worse off from this virus because of one idiot leader. He’s trying to tell you how stupid he was in believing the followers of said idiot and is trying to open the eyes of other said followers to do the same. My heart goes out to your country that is going up in flames on so many fronts because of one person.
Gwen, I’m sorry to say, you sound as misinformed as the author of this article was, before he caught Covid-19. Seriously, you believe Trump is doing all he can to solve the virus? Wow, amazing.
Trump DID NOT shut down travel from China. He only stopped Chinese people from entering the US. Other non-Chinese people who traveled in China were allowed to enter without any precautions.
But, that is not the worst of it! Trump de-funded the Pandemic Response team. He left the entire world exposed to this virus. Why was the US the top funder of the Pandemic Response team, you ask? Because US arrogance requires the US to always be in control. If we give the most money, it is ours to control. Trump caused this pandemic and is responsibleforevery US death. I hope the rest of the world holds him accountable. He has already destroyed any trust the world had in the US, so we are already suffering from his actions. He should suffer, as well
So Trump’s administrations didn’t cause the pandemic but the Chinese government did? And we should thank Trump? Who holds the most powerful office in the world who spent the most critical time of our virus response downplaying the virus and calling it a democratic hoax? Who only just started advocating wearing a mask recently? (Once his polling was down) Who’s federal response to the virus was to let states handle it? (Funny how his opinions on federalism change once the population starts protesting). And we should also give him (a person who undermines science every chance he gets) credit for the vaccine advancements of the global scientific community? And we shouldn’t sweat COVID anyway because heaven is waiting for us? Did I follow all your “logic” correctly
Trump did not cause the pandemic. However, he and his underlings can take full credit for the pathetically tragic response to it. The hubris of politicizing a medical emergency might be one of the most incredibly clueless and devious plots ever foisted on the American public. Trump and his cronies will go down as the most ineffectual and poorly responding administration ever in the history of the United States. In a just world they would all be incarcerated and left to rot in prison. And do remember your scripture: ‘God helps those who help themselves.’ In allowing this cancer to ‘lead’ our country we are definitely not helping ourselves.
Trump hasn’t done CRAP! It IS because of him that we are all still deep in the thorough of this virus. First calling it a hoax-sometimes to this day-to blaming China- that remains to be investigated, and all trumps conspiracies does not make him any less responsible for the total lack of leadership from the onset. Refusing to handle the virus from a federal level and turning over responsibility to the States and their governors. Then undermining and criticizing them constantly. To refusing to sign a Federal Defense Act to supply our medical professionals working tirelessly on the front lines with enough PPEs was totally despicable! . (I’m still waiting on his explanation for that!) We May be heading into the same issue as he has still not stocked those “bare shelves” that he claims he was left with from the Obama administration. Which he wasn’t!
Now it’s the Infectious Disease specialists and DOCTORS he is attacking and undermining!
All he had to do was FOLLOW WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES WERE DOING, period! But of course he refused that too. Along with wearing masks, touting conspiracies, untested drugs, and even drinking bleach!
Every country that has gotten through this, have empathetic, intelligent, stable leadership. They listened to the specialist. Trump fired our specialists. Including W.H.O. and has constantly bashed the CDC.
The reason we are where we are is tRump! And those of you who blindly follow him, make excuses for the inexcusable, and REFUSE to follow medical experts advice, stay home, social distance and WEAR A DAMN MASK!
The only thing tRump is worried about is HIMSELF, HIS RE-ELECTION, the Stock Market, and big business/ big donors! He could care less if you get sick, if your 80 old mother or your 3 week old baby dies! This country is going through HELL that should have been avoided. People are dying, many will have issues from this sickness for the rest of their lives, jobs have been lost, houses have been lost, small businesses have been closed down, travel has been stopped, no business overseas, no tourists coming to our sites, all because our PRESIDENT FAILED MISERABLY! Now he’s fighting our own citizens against law enforcement to add further chaos to try to distract from his failures, divide the nation, and incite his base. WAKE UP! Never before inAmerican history have people defended such an OBVIOUS CRIMINAL in the White House! Is past time to put people before money, and country before party! ,
The Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 actually originated in the USA. It killed 500 Million worldwide. Was the USA responsible? Why would anyone blame another country because of a virus that can form anywhere? The USA represents 4.25% of world population but we account for almost 25% of all deaths worldwide. In anyone’s playbook, that’s a catastrophic failure. I’m ex-Military and I believe Putin is paying the Taliban to kill American Soldiers as payback for Charlie Wilson’s War in the 1980’s, which eventually toppled the Soviet Union. Trumps done nothing to address this cuz he’s a coward. His blind trust he put his wealth in after winning election has investments in pharmaceuticals, including Hydroxychloroquine. He’ has no ethics, morals, empathy or intelligence. He’s made us a laughingstock in the international community. Any Trump Supporter is either brainwashed, racist or just plain dumb. Don’t Just take my word for it, ask Lucy Trump; James Mattis; John Kelly; George W. Bush; Mitt Romney; Larry Hogan; Carl Reiner; Dan Rather; Andrew Cuomo; Bill Clinton; the late John McCain; Mark Esper;, etc. etc. etc. The list is endless. Who’s in Trumps corner – retired game show host Chuck Woolery , who also believed coronavirus was a hoax, until his son caught it. Hey Mr. Bill Gates, can you work on publishing “Coronavirus For Dummies” please?
Bottom line you too have swallowed the cool side. Trump may not have originated the virus but his incompetent handling of it has lead to the death of thousands. About this there is no question. He is a con artist and the sooner he is gone the better.
Oh this administration has absolutely NOT been working on a solution, give me a break, Gwen. You are here to defend Trump and blame China like a good little minion. What possible benefit is there for anyone suffering to focus on blaming China at this point in time? It is here, and this administration wasted precious time stoking the paranoid ravings of people like the author of this piece, to our great loss.
Trump has not been doing all he can to fight this virus. On the contrary he has been doing everything he can to promote the “hoax”. He does not care about the citizens of this democracy and it appears he does not care about democracy in general. He cares about himself and his money. I think he loves nothing other than himself and cares not about the citizens of this wonderful country. He is trying to tear it down and destroy it. It is sad that the rest of us are suffering because of his lack of interest in beating the virus and seems to want to hand our democracy over to Putin. I can only hope he will get all that he deserves.
The author may be a human being, but he is/was a selfish, self-centered one who only thought of himself – his needs, his wants, his “inconvenience and not about his social responsibility to society. Until it happened to him. Some of us have put the betterment of society before our own needs. I’d love to see my mom in another state but can’t and won’t because it means exposing her, exposing my family, and exposing others. It’s hard to have sympathy for the “Chuck Woolerys” of the world who don’t care until it affects them.
Gwen, you’re right, Trump didn’t cause the pandemic, but you’re also wrong because China didn’t cause it either. It was caused by a rapidly changing virus. That being said, Trump caused the severity of the virus in this country. It’s really a shame that this guy admitted how stupid he was and you totally missed the point.
What complete nonsense. You are part of the problem, but too blind to see it. Of course if you suffer the same fate as the writer, you will come whining back talking about how sorry you are, and mistaken, and ill-informed. Its pathetic how dumb people are in this country.
Yeah, the writer is a human being, a bad one.
By calling COVID a hoax and denying it, he and people of his kind have insulted and caused pain to those who lost their dear ones due to this pandemic (hundreds and thousands of Americans and millions in rest of the world).
They’ve strained the American healthcare system. Because of these people millions of chronically ill patients can’t get their health care cause the hospitals are so burdened. And yet people of these kind complain about universal health care and want the poor people to die without any health care.
Now that he recovered, he’ll use his sick mind to find ways to blame Chinese and the rest of the world for the virus.
He got a well deserved outcome.
And you seem to be one of the same mindset as him.
Gwen,
To correct something you give Trump credit for. There was not a full flight ban for China. Over 400,000 people flew from China after his supposed ban and not one was required to self quarantine nor received a test for Covid19.
So, that 400K traveled all over the USA and carried the virus all. This was a Super Spreader event of the most massive type. This is one of the things Trump can take credit for.
Denying the existence of the virus for weeks and refusing to wear a mask as an example to others, implying that states and health care entities should reduce testing in order to suppress numbers of new cases are some of his other failures. The list goes on………
Seriously? Trump has done so much for the pandemic?? He called it a HOAX he ignored the warnings, he golfed, tweeted, fund raised and had rallies for the first three months when he could have been working. Those empty shelves? He had 3 years to fill but didn’t. When masks where recommended for all he made it political, which then in turn caused strife between community members trying to stay healthy vs those who thought COVID-19 was a hoax. You need to rewind the last 6 months and reflect!! Also injecting disinfect, UV light Hydroxy, tweeting out right disinformation has not been helpful. Herman Cain just passed from the Rona and what did he do? Went to a rally, didn’t socially distant, didn’t wear a mask and now he is dead. Trump has a lot of blood on his hands. Apparently you are all good with that?
“You sound be thanking President Trump for doing all he can to save American lives. He shut down any flights into the U.S. from China, once his administration learned of the pandemic.”
There is so much wrong with these statements, it’s ridiculous. Shutting down flights from China didn’t actually help since at the time we already knew it was in Europe at the same time. We had *everyday* people pointing out that people could fly form China to Canada and then come straight that was getting ignored by Trump and his lack of leadership. And we had people immediately pointing out that flights from Europe were not shut down and when then were, he made an exception for the UK to remain open. We *knew* this was a problem, yet he waited to actually do anything about it.
Then he shrugs his shoulders of responsibility of the virus, saying that masks are not necessary, and that Governors are responsible to figure it out. That’s not how you control the situation and help improve things, that’s how you actually make it worse. What we have no is each state doing it’s own thing, some of which are are flaring up because they are ignoring science and evidence. What the article goes into is the ramifications of this and we are seeing real problems that are avoidable. And you want us to thank Trump for his lack of leadership and lack of critical thinking skills?
“Look at the progress being made with a promising solution in the form of a vaccine.”
Yikes. Do real people actually think that Trump deserves credit for this? We have scientists around the world trying to figure this out. If Trump has any involvement here, it’s to work around him.
He did not respond until he was called out on it! The blood of many Americans is on HIS hands! How can you possibly support this buffoon. He would let us all die if it meant he could be re elected. He just wanted to pretend it would all just magically go away. Thankfully, we have mayors and governors who truly care about their people. I thank God my governor doesn’t listen to the liar
Wow, You are as delusional as Tony, you might want to check your temperature.
The Commies didn’t do it. It was a natural virus. But tRump didn’t address it properly. He is a FAILED president.
He is responsible for most of the deaths. And should be embarassed. As should you for supporting hi,m
Gwen, a political party does not cause a pandemic. The Chinese Communist Party has nothing to do with it. Your president deserves to be tried for crimes against humanity for the lack of response to curb the transmission of this virus. You are defending genocide by suggesting that the American government is actively working to help save lives.. The American response to Covid-19 is being recognized world wide as a total lack of response, a lack of humanity, and yes, genocide. It’s the ONLY country in THE WORLD that is not holding people like YOU (and Mitch) accountable for your gross negligence in caring for your fellow man. Anyone who defends this administration has no right to use the word/name “Jesus” when they talk – any true Christian would be wearing masks – you don’t love your neighbor.. you are a fake Christian, just like the killer you are trying to defend. Just stop it.
YOU are a Covidiot just like all the other dumb Trump followers – Look at the results other countries are getting from acknowledging the virus from the get go! Your President (wan a be king) is so sick & ignorant he has done much too little too late & you still kiss his aa. Thank Gid I am not an American where idiots like you think their President is doing fine when your death toll from this supposed hoax is over 150,000 people!
You can’t change stupid..
Fuck Trump.
The problem is Trump did NOT do all he could do to help. And he did things that made it worse than it should have been.
Gwen, this virus came from China but the lack of containment since it arrived is on us. Other countries have done a much better job of containing it than we have and a lot of the blame for that is on Trump.
Oh please, enough of your Christian piety. Fake believers like you have done more damage to this country. A “gay conservative” journalist, probably Republican, is hard enough to understand. But your defense is laughable. I offer the statements of Pastor Robert Jeffress to back up what I say. Your no different than any other group of zealots.
You’re a psycho. And you’re apparently part of the problem. Wear a mask. Stay at home.
When you are sadly deluding yourself, even when confronted with the facts. You can rail against the Communist Party of China, and certainly they probably could have communicated earlier and better than they did. But their handling of it the disease has actually been much better than the US handling of it. Trump couldn’t have stopped the virus entering the US. The vast majority of countries have been affected. However, his handling of the epidemic is a different matter. If you compare the US to other countries, you will find that the way in which the disease has been managed can make a huge difference to infection rates, mortality rates and ultimately to the economic impact. On those metrics Trump is a total failure. Score of people are dead because of poor decision making at the top, both in the Federal Government and in states which for political reasons opened back up to early. The anti-science stance taken by the right, coupled with ludicrous conspiracy theories have made the US an international laughing stock. This Presidency will go down in history as one of the worst administrations ever. Tony has had the courage to face the reality and is trying to help you avoid going through what he is going through. I hope you will find the wisdom and the courage to listen.
Thanking President Trump. You are a delusional fool. Trump is America’s Patient Zero in the HOAX viral conspiracy, a SUPER SPREADER. he will have the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands soon. We could be on the downswing or OVER the worst if not for him and enablers like you who excuse his denials, lies, obstruction, and callous disregard for facts and necessary remedies. We will never forgive or forget that he did not care until “HIS people”–the MAGAts started dying. I could tear your flimsy excuses to shreds from here to eternity, but you and your ilk will never see the light. I hope you contract this pestilence and can fulfill your wish to meet your maker soon. But your sanctimonious platitudes and eagerness to take me with you are not welcome or appreciated.
I know how you feel, Mitch. I’ve been in the same boat- read the writing on the wall early, reacted accordingly. Watched as adults around me acted like spoiled children, raging at us, not only because we wore masks and advocated quarantine, but because this virus wasn’t “fast enough” to produce results, be it scores of corpses or passing through like a mere fart on the breeze. Gotten my entire background trashed in public and my character denigrated as if I were stupid, as if I were unable to read, as I was a coward, a narcissist “because you don’t want to get the sniffles”, etc.
In reality, I and people like me, have been none of these things. Prudence isn’t cowardice, caring about the destruction that lands on someone else’s doorstep isn’t narcissism, being able to read deeper into the statistics to see that survival isn’t binary and in many cases might be harder than dying alone.
I cannot describe the depths of my absolute rage at these fools, and no, I too cannot forgive them for this callous disregard for human life until it showed up on their doorstep and killed people they loved, because they had too little imagination to care that other people’s hearts were getting torn out.
Tony-
There are some acts and behaviors and entitlements that don’t get forgiven. People who didn’t care to think deeply are why we’re fast approaching 150,000+ people in the hole, and countless others left drowning in medical debt, sorrow, and new chronic illness because surviving Covid does not necessarily leave people unscathed. Some of the damage sustained by the survivors will make them wish they HAD died, because chronic illness often does that. You don’t “I’m sorry” out of it. Ever. But what might surprise some people is that that’s OK. No one owes others forgiveness.
But what can be done is acknowledge that awareness, and strongly suggest that they take this new knowledge and atone for those mistakes by taking up the emotional labor of changing the minds of people who still haven’t realized that they’re happily spreading disease and killing people and destroying lives. That it’s not just your mother in law who might die, but the nurse who cared for her in her dying moments, or the janitor who cleaned the floor around her deathbed, all of whom are both faceless and innocent of that ignorance.
Atone. Do better. Don’t preach to the choir as that is an act of cowardice. Turn around, and preach to those who haven’t realized just how horrible this is. Face your friends, the members of your circle who don’t get it yet, and tell your story there. Do better by society, and THEN we’ll talk about the sliver of forgiveness.
Well said. I had it in January and have a permanent rash on my feet, back, hands, and face. I’m lucky. So far. My 29 year old, healthy, surfer nephew has been sicker than hell for a week,with Covid and may have lung damage. Thanks to people in his house that acted as the author did, careless and stupid with the lives of others. I don’t feel one wit of sorrow for the author. He was taken down by willful ignorance and he can start to repay his debt to us all by publicly quitting the party of the stupid (who hate his homosexual ass, ironically) and spending the next months campaigning for democrats. Then I can forgive. But if not, go meet your maker, son. Your ideology is a pox on the nation.
Melissa, thank you for your well written reply. I fully agree with everything you wrote. I live in NC and we have our share of fools and simpletons. Empathy isn’t what they feel or express when it hits their family and friends. It’s guilt which remains as self focused as their initial whining for ‘freedom’. They don’t get forgiveness from me.
He’s lying.
Mitch, grocery shopping is the highlight of my week so I had to write you. I think we have to accept clarity whenever/however it comes. If this guy put us just a little closer to knowing we are all in this together, it’s a good thing. Tho it’s difficult to remember, and agonizing to be so isolated, I keep reminding myself that one day this will end. And do I have to try to make this time in isolation count. Find a way to make it count for yourself.
Sending everyone on this thread the best.
Texas is truly as dumb as the rest of the country knows you are..
Guilt is a wonderful thing in cases like this.
Unfortunately it will not last very long and Mr Green will have learned absolutely nothing.
I totally agree with you Mitch!
While the mortal human side of me does have a touch of compassion towards the author and his family’s suffering and tragic loss, my logical rational side is compelled to SCREAM out loud that his pure stupidity and selfish act lead not only to another senseless preventable death and continued spread of what only now does Tony accept as the viciously deadly virus of a lifetime, but also to exposing a dedicated hospital staff and the countless innocents within their families that by stupid acts of others could die. Yes DIE in a room by themselves simply because we are surrounded by the ignorance- recognized too late, by another Tony among us
Thank you for speaking the truth Mitch!
exactly correct, Mitch! These selfish cultists only give a crap when they are affected directly. Meanwhile, they still don’t care about families being cruelly separated at the border, children in cages, a living wage, clean air, clean water, global warming, etc. etc. etc. The Earth has to literally go up in flames around them before their tiny minds say, “oh sh*t, it can affect ME, too!!! omg omg omg everybody, let’s take this seriously now!!”
Well said. I live in NY and I haven’t seen family and friends since March. My husband and I are high risk. We use to enjoy date once a week especially in the summer, but this year we have not visited a restaurant or bar since early March. Our annual vacations have been suspended. I am angry with the people around the country who are not following NY’s lead. This awful nightmare is being prolonged because of the stupidity and selfishness of Americans. There will be more deaths and more suffering around the country. I feel bad that people are dying but this guy put himself, his whole family and even a newborn baby in danger! I’m glad he survived and first responders were able to save his life, but I don’t feel sorry for him or the people who went to his party.
Mitch, this gentleman was sharing his experience and poor judgment to inform not be vilified…..people like you are part of the problem…stay well🇺🇸💙
Mitch M-
Please consider that this writer has written an article for all to see. He has already pointed out his mistake and is openly giving a correction and hopefully there will be others that take his story and change their actions. There is one more person helping influence precautions/ preventatives for rampant spread. My family has been isolating also. My very active and social only child is hopeful of the pandemic ending sooner every time I tell her that there is another person being responsible in this pandemic.
Mitch, YES to all you said.
Well said.
100% this!!!! I’m an American living abroad Ina country that acted quickly and responsibly. I now, for the bargain price of two months shut down, enjoy all the freedoms I lost for two months…and although I’m cautious, I don’t have to live in fear. Everything is open, everyone wears masks, no one has to tell us…it’s just being a good citizen an thinking of the future. America is f*****d and it’s because of guys like this who wrote this cautionary tale that zero Trump supporters will gaf about.
totally agree; not a lot of sympathy. No reflection on why he endangered everyone while surely know his beliefs were false.
The thing that comes to mind for me is why does he so starkly not believe experts? Why did he look to the President for direction vs experts from around the world? Also, will Tony now take experts’ advice more seriously on other matters, or is it just for COVID?
This rejection of experts on the subject is the problem across the US. Instead people are taking their advice from the President and social media.
Tony Green, you not only killed your mother-in-law, you have the nerve to use this oped as a self-pity party and condemnation of the people YOU infected. You rail against socialism and support fascism then have the temerity to create a go fund me site? You’re truly a despicable M.A.G.A.T. And I see you proselytize to inmates on top of all this? How many inmates have you infected/killed?! You should be locked up.
Agreed! Mr green you are very selfish
Thank you for saying what needs to be said. People like Tony Green are the problem. His ignorance and stupidity are monumental and the fact that he barely agrees that maybe he is to blame for someone’s death, shows he’s still a moron.
He voted for trump and he got the Karma that comes with that choice. And the fact that he’s gay makes it even more ridiculous! What self-respecting gay man would vote for an administration that would count him as expendable?
So you were stupid, didn’t follow any guidelines to keep yourself safe, lied to yourself, your family and people in general – and expect sympathy? You were denying science by saying this pandemic that has killed nearly 150,000 Americans was a LIE? Shame on you!
And, you’re a Gay Man – a “Conservative” – what a joke, siding with those who literally HATE the LGBTQ Community.
Your whole family got sick? Charles Darwin says HELLO DUMMY.
Denying the facts of Science is YOUR OWN FAULT.
Am I supposed to have sympathy for this dolt,because I don’t.
No, all Trump supporters are not like him! I will vote for Trump and, like you, have not been out unless absolutely necessary. I believe it is real and also believe the left leaning physicians like Dr. Fauci and Sanjay Gupta are keeping us terrified. I do NOT take this lightly at all and won’t to protect me and my husband. I cannot vote for democratic late term abortions, illegals coming in illegally, no voter id, supporting lazy asses that won’t work and depend on the government to support them, and ALL lives matter!
Will not vote for late term abortions yet you agree with detaining, jailing children, and letting them die alone without parents. I also believe all lives matter , but for some of you whit’s it’s only white lives that HAVE mattered and it is time non-whites are treated as the equals they are because believe it or not brown, black, red, yellow, all humans are equal.
Thank you, I wholeheartedly agree. A mea Culpa is not enough; calling out T and those who spread falsehoods needs to be loud.
The problem with the virus is that it is not deadly enough. Many people think it’s a political ploy, or a government conspiracy, or that the numbers are all inflated. And many people haven’t had a family member or someone they know be hospitalized—-if they had, they’d know just how bad it is. If people were dying at 100x the current rate, they would adhere to the medical advice given by people like Dr. Fauci and the CDC! Remember Obama’s handling of the Ebola outbreak or SARS. Whether you agree with his politics or not, he did the right thing by giving control to the CDC, which got a quick handle on both. No politicalization. Trump has undermined the CDC from the beginning. And his claim that he shut down travel from China is correct FOR CHINESE NATIONALS, but thousands of AMERICANS were allowed back in without any quarantine! Did he think only Chinese citizens could be infected? Trump nsists on calling this the “China virus”—-I propose we call it the “Trump virus”!
Mitch, he is LITERALLY doing what you told him he should be doing at the end of that less than humane rant in response to someone coming clean about a failure and owning it. This article is meant to encourage other idiots to quit being idiots. Even as he grieves a terrible loss, he is doing the next right thing by encouraging others not to make his mistake. Y’all are so hateful. I’m burdened like you by all of this, but that doesn’t mean we need to lose our humanity.
When we mess up and we then choose to do the next right thing, shouldn’t people be supporting us for leading by example of what to do after messing up? It doesn’t make sense to hate on him for that.
mitch m.
I totally agree with Your comment & I too have not left my house unless absolutely necessary, but when I do leave my house I wear My mask & stay 6 feet or more from other people, I can not believe how selfish people are about this disease, My family means everything to Me & the thought of Me getting this virus & passing to My husband or anyone else for that matter terrifies me, I could not live with myself if I ignored the seriousness of this virus & cause someone I Care & Love to get sick & possibly die from being STUPID & ignoring it
Trump is not a leader & he is not a President either, he is a SELFISH GREEDY BIGOT who does not care at all about the lives lost from this virus that he called a HOAX & said it would DISAPPEAR
it is a SHAME that it took Tony Green to actually get this deadly virus & spreading to his & his partner’s families before he woke up & realized this VIRUS IS REAL & this Virus don’t give a damn who you are or what party you are in either!
I Pray that Tony Green & the rest of his family & his partner’s family recover fully from this virus & I also hope that from now on that You will never ignore anything as serious as this again Get Well & Thank You for finally realizing how serious this is, It’s a very hard lesson to learn isn’t
As a half American that was raised in the UK I cannot believe the comments posted here. What is it about this country that it constantly has to politicize everything?
This is a pandemic everyone! Let’s stop all this political bickering and come together and find a way out of this. I don’t think any other country in the world has politicized the pandemic more than the US..
This gentleman has kindly shared with us his heart wrenching story. He has tried to set aside politics to get across to anyone that might think this thing is a hoax and to implore them to take it ever so seriously.?
Let’s all do this. Let’s look at the data. Let’s look at what countries like Taiwan are doing (23.5 million people vans only 7 deaths!). Let’s question our sources, especially when it gets in to conspiracy stories. Let’s lay off blaming everyone else (there will be plenty of time for that later, starting on November 3rd). Let’s be kind and caring and help whoever and whenever. Let’s show the world that America can act grown up and not stand around arguing when people are dying out there!
You are totally correct Tony.
Just as Drunk drivers go to prison for manslaughter. Tony should go to prison. Your “guilty feelings” arent enough.
Tony is evil and stupid and if he actually* felt remorse, he’d be in prison.
And the next lie Trump spreads will be just as dearly embraced as this one was.
Very well said!
But they aren’t all just like him. It’s rare enough for people to change their minds, but to go public and admit to the shame and loss? This guy is likely getting death threats now. Can we maybe give him a break?
Tony Greens article may be true but there is one small problem. His timeline is not consistent with what has turned up on a google search that finds the CDC states the incubation time is from 2 to 14 days after the initial infection before symptoms first appear. Tony Green states he was sick the very next day after the family get together on June 13th. However the CDC does not support his timeline claims that his first exposure was on June 13th and he became sick on June 14th. In fact the average time line for incubation is 5,1 days according to the CDC. In this report if it is entirely credible, we are expected to belienve that this strain of Covid-19 moved at warp speed? Tony also states:
“By Monday, June 15, my partner and my parents were all sick. That same Monday, my in-laws traveled to witness the birth of their first grandchild. They took with them my father-in-law’s mother and one of my partner’s sisters. That night my father-in-law became ill.”
If true, then Tony, his partner and father in law all acquired the virus on June 13, just two days earlier. Tony should consider the possibility that he acquired the virus before June 13 and should disclose his contacts from June 8th through the 12th. These issues are raised not to debnk the whole article as fiction but the time line from exposure to thsi virus to symptoms is not credible as written.
How long do symptoms take to appear?
The incubation period is the time between the exposure to a virus or bacteria and the appearance of symptoms.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) state that symptoms typically appear 2–14 days after exposure.
The findings of 2020 research on 181 confirmed cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection suggest that 97.5% of those who are symptomatic will begin to show symptoms within 11.5 days. The researchers also estimate that the mean incubation period for SARS-CoV-2 was 5.1 days.
Although the majority of people develop symptoms within 14 days of getting the virus, in some people, it can take longer. The study authors note that other research has shown that in 101 of every 10,000 individuals who get COVID-19, the incubation period is longer than 14 days.
Maybe he was the carrier and spread it? How do you explain how they all got it?
Thank you, Mitch M. Why is it that conservatives don’t give a damn about anyone else until it happens to them? Also very confused as to why an LGBT person would vote for the party that persecutes them and seeks to deny them , and revoke, their civil rights. to quote Roseanne, “It’s like chickess voting for Col. Sanders.”
That’s why they call them Mepublicans – it only matters if it happens to ME and MY family. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me.
I think this man feels guilty enough and has suffered enough . He doesn’t need anyone coming down on him. Lots of people believed this virus was a hoax and many still believe that it is. Many of those who believed it was a hoax, many who have said wearing a mask was infringing on there freedom have paid an astronomical price. Many will continue to pay a very high price for their so called freedom of choice . Many will continue to pay a high price with their own lives or the lives of those they love. I personally had 4 family Members contract this dreaded virus, 3 has recovered but my nephew is still fighting to breath and for his life. I’ve had an Aunt whose father-n-law died from Covid and a neighbors uncle died. This is uncharterritory and everyone is confused as to what to believe, so let’s show love , compassion and understanding , Lets pray we all make the right choices and this virus is eradicated soon for ourselves and all those we love so dearly!
What else do you want from him? I am so grateful for this writers vulnerability and willingness to say “I was wrong” – the fact that he would be shamed for it is a great example of the toxicity and lack of trust displayed in our culture.
He wasn’t wrong. He was arrogant, reckless, and defiant.
So very well said
Mitch, I agree. It’s sad, but also sad, that people like that would never learn unless it personally affects them. It happens so often that I got numb to their feelings. I tried reasoning and reasoning- nothing!
It’s indeed a cult.
I agree with your harsh condemnation. This person’s reckless actions put the people he loved at risk. I don’t know how someone can use a virus, who doesn’t care what political persuasion you are at the moment. It just sees another person it can infect and it will do so. So, complete ignorance is what led to this outcome.
I am glad this person came around but at what cost? At what cost? To his own family? When they were claiming that people of color were catching and dying from this disease, most of his friends went on and hosted dinner parties, which spread the virus further, and then putting some of THEM in contact WITH US. Most of us, myself being a person of color, with family members who are considered front line workers and essential workers.
I feel more sorry for the health care workers who are asked to do a lot more than wear a freaking piece of fabric over their faces for 12-15 hours a day in full protective wear. Those are the true heroes that continue to risk their lives for fools who want to have freaking dinner parties for their conservative friends.
This comes too late, because it was only when you suffered your own misfortune that you took it seriously and want people to heed your warning. Its too late. I’m sick of it. I’m glad you came around but all the damage you caused from your own ignorance….I honestly dont see how some people who do this can look in the mirror.
Call me judgmental. That’s fair. But these people also made a judgement, but too bad, it was a judgment for all of us that he and others can’t take back.
And just look at what it cost us.
Very well said mitch. m. Conservatives don’t care about anyone or anything, until something happens top THEM – & all the catastrophes you describe are due to that.
Sad really sad that this country was once exceptional until someone ran on the platform of being the exception…. it’s happened before in history. People stumbling around needing to know why and fighting the facts. Let go of the need to know. It’s killing people. These stupid conspiracies. Enough. There is a virus out there killing people and your air of borrowed superiority is not helping anyone. I am writing in support of this post!
Yes, Mitch, exactly! He should be handing out this letter to every Republican in sight. And because he is likely now immune he can travel around. I hope he is donating plasma. It’s infuriating, to say the least.
Mitch, what a jerk you are! I AM A TRUMP SUPPORTER AND I HAVE QUARANTINED Since MARCH, wear a mask, gloves, wash my hands and sanitize. I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP AGAIN. So shove it! And get over yourself, while you’re at it. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.
Lol!!!!!!
we are all Mitch now. Except for Gwen. For people of a certain age who are not in the peak of health, this is A LIFE SENTENCE TO SOLITARY CONFINEMENT WITHOUT PAROLE, which is basically what the Social Economist Daniel Kanneman inferred in the New Yorker in MARCH. and all because Trump and enablers like Gwen ignored the science and facts and only focused on the stock market. For a person over 65, healthy or not, the death rate is ONE in EIGHTEEN! I will die never seeing all my family who are 400 miles away. I am recently retired and confined to my apartment for as long as I can last. I have ONE JOB, to stay alive until 11/3 to vote this malignant cancer on the body politic out of the office and into prison! Then, depending on whether Trump can steal the election, I will either WANT to DIE or be willing to risk my life for a bit of happiness.
I commend you on your story. As a conservative too, this pandemic knows no political affiliation, nor does it discriminate who will come down with it. I would like to mention that Dr. Richard Bartlett, from Odessa, TX works at various clinics around West Texas, and says he’s found a successful treatment for the coronavirus.
“The treatment plan is inhaled, generic budesonide,” Bartlett said. “ Using some generic antibiotics to protect from a secondary bacterial infection. Using zinc, which interferes with virus replication. It’s common sense. It’s intuitive.”
Budesonide is a steroid, that can be inhaled directly to the lungs using a nebulizer. (this is what my husband and I received when we came down with this virus, and it cleared both of us, and my husband is over 70, and I’m over 60). The drug has been used for decades to treat asthma and is approved by the FDA. However using it to treat COVID-19 is not. “I am not aware of any doctors anywhere that are using this specifically for COVID-19, yet,” Bartlett said.
Bartlett said he treats people as soon as they show symptoms. “Early treatment is better with this disease,” he said. “And I’m having a 100% survival rate. I don’t even know how many I’ve treated…dozens. I have 14 that I’m treating right now.”
Bartlett said that patients tell him they feel immediate relief. I am living proof that this works, and suggest anyone who has a loved one, or knows of anyone who may have COVID to contact Dr. Richard Bartlett, to see if he can refer you to another physician who will at least give his method a try, before ever going on a ventilator.
7/720
Midland Memorial Hospital says inhaled steroid is no ‘silver bullet’ for COVID-19
https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/midland-memorial-hospital-says-inhaled-steroid-is-no-silver-bullet-for-covid-19/513-a30477f5-35fb-41cb-97fb-e8aaad6250b2
This is an accepted form of treatment,but is no cure and also depends on how severe the patient is. Please do not think it is as easy as that, there are many variables involved.I have a family member on this as we speak(type) He is still VERY I’ll and can be hospitalized at any time. Budesnaside does help to keep the bronchial tubes open because it is a steroid but does not work for every scenario. Precaution and prevention is still the best medicine.
Vaporized zinc was the silver bullet that got a friend off of a vent after a 5-week ICU stay. HCQ did nothing.
It takes strength and courage to make amends. I admire yours, in admitting you were wrong. This allows us all to do the same when we are too. Though politics and selfish wants can separate us, “falling on your sword ” here is uniting, and you are right to reinforce the warning to others. Thank you
“I admit I voted for Donald Trump in 2016.” That is where this article should have ended. At that point, you completely lost credibility. And probably a good many readers.
The staff that saved you from a stroke, cared for all your family members and in most cases SAVED lives all did so while wrapped up in isolation suits, negative airflow respirators for most probably 12-13 hours. Then they went home to the families that that love. You had all the information you needed prior to June 14 to know better that to have a “get together” You thought you knew more than the experts, claiming a scandemic and a democratic hoax. Personally I think your decisions were selfish, irresponsible and frankly ignorant. If you are looking for some sort of absolution, ask God because as far as I’m concerned you walked right into this and the consequences of your actions risked your family’s lives and all the staff it took to save your own. Pardon me if IDGAF.
That is totally correct and I couldn’t have said it better myself.
this is too harsh. for one, the reason he is writing this is to explain he was wrong, and he should be respected for that. he is trying to ensure that the many others like him out there change their mind based on his experience, and that is commendable. yes, he did the wrong thing, but he is now doing more than most who have done the wrong thing by publicly saying so.
we need to treat acts like his positively, to encourage them, not damn him for making a mistake.
Tony, We may be polar opposites politically but I greatly commend you for stepping forward to tell your story. At least now your story may save lives!
Jay, do you suppose this weak mea culpa on some obscure corner of the internet will save as many lives as the author’s willful ignorance and arrogance has cost? How many people are going to be infected or die in the chain of events leading directly from his actions? No one knows. We know for a fact though that he actively _chose_ to make himself part of the chain of transmission, and that affects not just his family, but everyone he and his family had any incidental contact with, let alone the health care workers who had much closer contact with him.
I am sorry for the misery that Tony Green and his extended family have suffered. I appreciate him telling his story, and his taking responsibility for his actions that have have caused him and his extended family such pain and grief. But nowhere in his story do I see any reference to the failed leadership of his chosen President of the United States–the man who has lied and bullied and blustered his way through the last four years, culminating in the health and economic catastrophe in which those of us who have not died now find ourselves trying to survive. Where does he renounce the leader who lies to us about the dangers of this virus? Where does he renounce the leader who blames everyone else but himself for the failed governmental response to this pandemic? Where does he admit that the advice given by this leader to ingest toxic substances to “cure” this disease was toxic in itself? Where does he hold this leader responsible for exacerbating the effect of this catastrophe on us? Tell us that you hold him accountable for his failures, if you do. At this point in time, most of the rest of us do, and will, in November.
Thank you Bob, I completely agree. We STILL DONT HAVE ADEQUATE TESTING and 150,000 people have died!!! This is an unimaginable failure of leadership. How there is even one person still on team Trump is a mystery.
Right-o, dear boy. Right-o! I said something similar, but I liked how you put yours much better.
I’m a black gay democrat from New York City. Reading this article and then deciding to respond, it takes all my will power not to take you to task. I don’t understand republican/conservatives ‘values’ when time after time they put dollars before people. The idea that Democrats or anyone would create a scam to ‘make the president look bad’ is so ridiculous on it’s face that to buy into it reveals the culpability of the believer. The president doesn’t need help to look ridiculous, ignorant, ill informed, uncaring, narcissistic , dishonest, sexist or racist. He does a fantastic job of showing all those things on his own. To say, he’s done anything that an actual leader would do to handle this Pandemic is a self own of historic proportions. A country is not a business. The economy of a country is NOT more important than its citizens, although you wouldn’t know it from the actions of Trump or the Republican Party. It’s a tragic shame that so many ignore what’s obvious and right in front of their face every day. Stop watching Fox News. It’s literally killing you.
This perfectly summarizes my sentiments and I just want you to know that you’re not alone in these feelings. xo
Absolutely agree.
Well said William. Spot on. Intelligence is completely lacking in rank and file republicans, and the GOP leadership has cleverly learned how to turn the rural and unintelligent into sheep. Empires fall not because of outside forces. They crumble from the inside because its citizens lack intelligence (not to be confused with education). The US is on the fast-track to crumbling away under GOP leadership. Trump and the GOP have caused so much damage to this country in just 3 years that it will take 10+ years to fix. They cry that Democrats will turn us into socialists, but it is the GOP that is socialist. It is the GOP that believes in government hand-outs and bailouts (i.e., Bush and Trump). It is the GOP that is all about big government and unsustainable spending (i.e., Bush and Trump). Anyone with basic intelligence can verify this information through independent means, but most republicans won’t–they will bury their head in the sand on this.
The Voice needs an “upvote”, so here’s mine
Thank you, Mr. Brown, for your perfect summation. There are many of us who feel the same way.
You said exactly what I feel, William. Thank you!
You voted for the candidate who promised to repeal the affordable care act (because we don’t want socialism). And now you set up a gofundme page to raise money for the medical bills your family can’t afford… Do you see the hypocrisy here?
Btw, campaigns like gofundme are grassroots socialism.
Jonas, you’re 100% correct. Thank you for bringing attention to this hypocrisy!
Another twist from Tony Green’s Gofundme page (it remains up and operating): It is with a heavy heart and deep regret but I must inform each contributor that I am compelled to end this fundraiser and refund each donor. I have tried to act honorably-serving in the best interest of Rafael & Marisa-nobody else. Unfortunately, others -within the family- that are displeased with my attempts to provide additional love, support, prayers and financial contributions in their time of need. Because of their continuous harassment and vindictive behavior [against my advice] Marisa now refuses to accept this money.
As for myself, I could share my opinions with you but this was never intended to be about me.
Sometimes you just have to be done.
Not mad, not upset.
Just done.
Yeah, he says he must close it down but it’s still taking donations.
Sorry not sorry. You willfully ignored science and facts. Your remorse is useless. You’re feeling repentant now because your careless, or rather, WILLFUL ignorance hurt people you love. Imagine the hundreds of people who you don’t know that you and your ignorant family also infected? And the healthcare workers that risk their lives as well as those of THEIR loved ones daily to care for COVID patients who could have avoided it if they hadn’t been so goddamned selfish. And now you have a godundme to help with your medical bills? You do know what that’s called, right when resources are pooled to help the less fortunate ? That is SOCIALISM.
99.8% survival rate for the virus!!! You have a better chance of dying in a car wreck guys👌
Jay, I think you need to do a little research on the true statistics as your is woefully inaccurate.
That’s why I wear a seat belt, idiot
How can one person be so misguided and stupid?
As of 2018 (most recent data I can find) there were approximately 40,000 automobile fatalities in the US. There have been over 130,000 COVID deaths in the US so far this year. Not to mention all of the complications and damage to systems that many survivors are experiencing. Not to mention the cost of medial care and hospital stays , which for underinsured Americans (around 31 million) will be bankrupting. Not to mention that most deaths are occurring among our most vulnerable FELLOW AMERICANS. .And this is all preventable if we just think of others instead of ourselves for a minute and follow the scientific recommendations instead of the 100% self-interested and delusional horseshit that comes out of the White House.
There have been 4,500,000 cases and 150,000 deaths in the US so far. That’s a 3.3% death rate, clown.
YES…. and the year is only half over.
And why is the death rate the only important thing?? The hospitalization rate is very high.
And even relatively mild cases take more than a month to get over, often with lung scarring. I’ve had the flu3-4 times. It’s 2-3 days for me, then back to normal.
I know 2 families personally that had covid and while none were hospitalized, and have”mild” symptoms according to the doctors, they have been coughing non stop for 5-6 weeks, have had fatigue for that long and are miserable. Imagine being too weak to really do anything for weeks. Plus until it was finally over they were terrified it could take a turn for the worst, which thankfully didn’t happen. They all got their affairs in order, expecting the worst.
Many others we read about that recover in a hospital are left scarred internally with months of work ahead of them to hopefully get back to where they were.
Unbelievable that the comments are still expressing the bravado that this article begs people not to take.
They didn’t “recover.” They “lived.”
Your story widely hit many markets as it is very direct and confirms many fears about the virus and it’s contagious ability. Very sad to have sickness and death in your family and I send my condolences. I do want to make a counter point. You seem to imply that conservatives or trump supporters believe the pandemic to be a hoax aimed at re-electing the president. Is it not possible that some of those conservatives just believe the government authorities are going too far? This does not have to be an either/or argument. There is zero doubt of the reality of coronavirus and COVID-19 illness and deaths.
There are two reasons why this article does not sit well with me: the GoFundMe link at the end which is a bit rich, coming from someone who belongs to the party of personal responsibility and, nowhere did I see that he was passing on voting Trump in for a second term.
Meh, you’re like a lot of people – you only cared when it personally affected you. So get fucked, FSB.
Haaa! Awesome. Brutal. Love it.
You know, I usually find compassion easy, but at this point in the pandemic, it’s hard. I’ve literally tried to reason with people like Tony every day since March. Evidently these people just will not care until their loved ones die. They just laugh and us call is sheep when our loved ones die. Call is sheep and make excuses why our loved ones deaths don’t count. It’s disgusting.
Thank you!
Exactly! I’m glad his family suffered the backlash of his/their stupidity and arrogance. So damn sick of these people who only find compassion after they’re directly affected. Laughing at people for wearing masks and trying to protect their own health is disgusting and deplorable. So much for “Christian” values. What an asshole. Why don’t you go tell your parent or grandma how “guilty you feel when they’re lying on their COVID deathbed, Tony?
Why do you think that anyone stupid enough to still think this is a hoax will listen to your story when you refused to listen to anyone else’s story? There was plenty of evidence of how real, how serious, how infectious Covid-19 was before you decided to do something as stupid as hold a BBQ without taking any precautions.
You just didn’t care until it impacted you and people you care about. Three years of watching people post Trump regrets, and I notice that that is normally when Trump-supporters start caring.
Also, where are your Republican bootstraps? You know the ones that you’re supposed to take personal responsibility with and pull yourself up by? Instead you’re out there begging other people for money. Personally, I support Medicare for All. At least in other advanced countries, when they got sick with this, they didn’t have to beg strangers for money. They didn’t face potential bankruptcy. But you’re a Republican, a Trump supporter. Your party doesn’t care that many people have lost their employee health insurance in the middle of a pandemic as they’ve lost their jobs. Your guy Trump tried to kill Obamacare last month. Incidentally, if Obamacare goes, mandatory coverage of pre-existing conditions goes. That would mean that if any of you are left with lingering health problems from your bouts with Covid-19, your next insurance company won’t have to cover it.
Either hold true to your Republican values and pull yourself up…or reevaluate those values and your votes that enable them.
Thoughts and prayers.
Bravo! There’s some well educated, intelligent, and articulate people in this feed. I have an MS in Environmental Chemistry & Toxicology and worked in public health for 13 years. I’ve seen from the inside how ignorant the public is and how cowardly some bureaucrats can be about setting things straight. See Dr. Birx for reference. Keep it coming, folks.
Jay, tell that to this family that has already lost one member to COVID and may well lose another. The virus is very real, and this is far from the only case where families have lost multiple members, kids have lost both parents etc.. They’re just statistics and numbers until it’s you and yours.
Well, well, well, if it isn’t the consequences of your own actions.
So now we know what it takes to make someone admit that anti-science, GOP rhetoric is wrong: being responsible for your mother-in-law’s painful death, and nearly killing your father and yourself.
140,000 people in the US died from the virus before it affected YOUR family, but you nevertheless believed it was a Democratic hoax? Until it happened to YOU and YOUR loved ones and someone YOU love died. Sorry/not sorry. Selfish douche.
Don’t worry, to get where you were in life before this all happened required a sustained commitment to immorality and anti-intellectualism. A few dead family and friends won’t keep you away from the tabloid trough for long. Give Fox News and your alt-right meme pages a few months and you’ll be swilling down red pills and conspiracy theories in no time at all.
The best we can hope is that the guilt from the negligent homicide of your families and friends will keep you away from the voting booths for 2020 and maybe, if we’re REALLY lucky, 2022. By 2024 you’ll be voting for Honey BooBoo and Kid Rock.
Soooooo, you killed your family. Now you feel bad about it and we’re encouraged to donate to your GoFundMe? GTFOH buddy you reap what you sow.
Us who see and read and learn and reason – we tried to tell you! We’ve been trying to tell those like you were. This is what happens when you believe YouTube over science. People have to smarten up and return to valuing evidence instead of a bumbling idiot and an anonymous 4chan troll. Of course politics will use it like they will use anything for political gain. Doesn’t make it fake or mean the whole world including all doctors and scientists are in on a conspiracy. Thanks for sharing your story. Hopefully it reaches people who refuse to critically think.
A gay, Trump-voting conservative.
Nope. Can’t find any sympathy at all. And now you’re out here asking for money?
Get fucked
You are an idiot who chooses to learn things the hard way. Get fucked.
Your situation is of your own making. I hope you never find rest and the specters of those that died torment you until your dying day.
You are a bad person with bad opinions and ideas. Hopefully you learned something about the ideology you cleave too.
If you do some reading you’ll see Tony Green is a Radical Marxist and lifelong democrat so im not sure why hes claiming to be a republican to push the hoax?
Got a source for that? Or do you just make everything up, like your fearless leader?
yeah pretty much never taking an of this type of conspiracy theory bullshit without a strong reference. Not some whack job conspiracy site, i am talking CNN.
I suppose you should have known better, but from what you’ve shared it appears that you have always put your selfish desire for low taxes or whatever other benefits selling out you receive for selling out each member of every community you’re a part of.
I have no doubt you will vote the same way in 2020 that you did in 2016.
How much did the Democrats pay him and “his family” to pretend and write this? Gay Conservative ? I think not. Hell has a special place for you fag.
EDITOR’S NOTE: Ordinarily comments in which the commenter is calling someone “fag” would be deleted. We are leaving this comment to show how hateful the people calling COVID-19 a “hoax” actually are.
We already know how hateful these people are. Do us a favor and don’t give this person a platform. DELETE it. It’s offensive.
Are you the editor? As a gay Democrat, I am well aware of how hateful Trump supporters are.
Delete it.
Lol more of that good old fashioned “Christian” love from one of Trump’s true followers. Meanwhile, the thrice married, pornstar paying adulterer has the evangelical vote all locked up.
Burninhell – hey turd polisher. Who shit on your Wheaties. Afraid of a little gay are you? You know what that translates to – yep you take it up the ass. Frankly I don’t think anyone can judge who they love. You think God has a problem with it? Well let God decide and stay out of it.
I love it when folks come together and share ideas. Great website, stick with it!
This President didn’t create this virus,
but he ignored it,
denied it,
minimized it,
joked about it,
weaponized it,
politicized it,
exacerbated it,
and lied about it.
He still is doing so..
He’s culpable.
Truly sad to see the needlessly hate-filled comments. Thank you, Tammye & eds for letting them stand to shine a light on the dangerous and deluded thinking of people who are following 45’s lead. We must vote this treacherous administration out of office. The national election truly is a matter of life or death.
Killing your family to own the libs. Great Job there guy.
Your warnings are falling on the same deaf ears you had. They will all either suffer like you have or continue to be the asshat you once were.
Sadly, you are exactly right. As someone who has tried to reason with these people since March, you are so right.
It’s a shame you survived
Conservatives only care about other people after exhausting all other options. Garbage people who poison the well.
Lee, there are lots of issues with that narrative. Every one of your points are sourced to discredited conspiracy theories promulgated by a UK tabloid and picked up and spread by right-wing conspiracy sites. This article details how they’re being used to slander Dr. Fauci for political purposes.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fauci-wuhan-funding-conspiracy
So basically your blind trust for a man that rips off the poor, beats Americans, and could give a rate ass about you led you to kill members of your family. And now you are repenting by falling on the sword. Your actions did this to your family.
perhaps this writer can take the next step, and question what else is not actually a hoax? Climate Change. Russian interferance in elections. Impeachment. Donald Trump calls anything he doesn’t like or agree with a hoax. Given that COVID is not actually a hoax, and resulted in the deaths of your family members, its time for you to re-examine a lot of other “hoaxes.”
Excellent point, Sarah.
The fact that you were convinced it was real only AFTER becoming ill yourself AND literally killing family members says all I need to know about you. Your ilk (willfully ignorant Trump voters) are destroying this country.
Mepublicans. All about ME.
Trump voter? Covid-19 hoax believer? Tony, you need to seriously reconsider your life. Not the gay part, just the rest of it.
#NoFundMe
You want us to pay for your medical expenses now? You big, ruggedly individualistic American conservative man? Go get yourself a paper route. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.
OMG I feel like a horrible human being but I laughed out loud at your brutally incisive comment.
What an absolute dumbass. This is the definition of white male privilege. You refuse to acknowledge reality until it hits home for you.
Also, I can’t help but note the rich irony of your concern about the separation of families due to COVID-19. Yet somehow I’m guessing you didn’t lose a moment’s sleep over the same trauma being inflicted on children at the Mexico border.
I gotta admit, the fact that you even had the nerve to write this column shows me you haven’t learned anything. I feel bad that you don’t have anyone in your life who loves you enough to keep you from writing this, because this is truly embarrassing. Just be grateful you’re alive when so many others have died and slink away quietly rather than showing your ass the way you have here.
I just can’t feel sorry for this dude. Karma is a bitch. The best part is all the morons here in the comments spewing the same BS that this guy is now rejecting.
Fox News is bad for America. There, I said it. They are intentionally spreading disinformation about this virus. The fact that so many people think Covid is a “hoax” or even better a “democratic hoax to hurt Trump’s re-elections chances” is mind boggling. This is just absolutely insane level nonsense that a frightening number of Republicans actually really believe. And Fox News and other right-wing “news” outlets keep serving up the disinformation on a platter.
I don’t understand people who think it’s a Democratic hoax. Did they really think the rest of the world was willingly killing their citizens just to make trump look bad? He does a good enough job of that all on his own.
Nanct,
Republicans truly believe that the world is America’s bitch. Their myopic view point means that they can’t comprehend that not everything is about America and that America is not at the center of everyone’s universe. The fact that there are republicans who think that democrats somehow convinced the entire world to kill half a million people to get rid of Trump is laughable at best. No wonder that people who are not very educated predominantly vote republican. They are just stupid.
Hi, Tony,
I find your story fascinating and was wondering if you would be opening to talking live. I am a conservative also trying to help other conservatives face reality about COVID-19. My key question is around what were elements that led you to hold the belief that you did about COVID-19 and how would you counsel other conservatives to reduce or eliminate those destructive elements from getting such a grip on them as to ignore truth?
Please reach out to me with your contact info at my website if you are interested in chatting live and we can go from there:
https://representuswi.org/#contact_us
Thanks!
Regards,
Rich
Mate, they don’t want the truth. Save your time.
Tony, you are, and have been, part of the problem. You voted for a racist, transphobic, homophobic, anti-science monster. Nothing in the last three years of horror from the Trump administration apparently dissuaded you from your original position, as demonstrated by your conviction that COVID-19 was a “hoax.” And none of it bothered you until it happened to you, which is the classic entitled conservative position—even more shameful coming from a gay man. That said, thank you for writing this. I’m sorry you became ill, and I’m sorry you allowed your family to become ill, because of your ignorance and arrogance. I hope people read this, and learn from it. And I will be contributing anonymously to your GoFundMe. I hope you get well soon, and come out the other end smarter, less selfish, and more compassionate.
Testify!
A hoax, seriously? It’s apparent that you only care about issues that impact you directly. Hopefully we don’t lose marriage equality or the ACA but I guess you don’t think that’s important.
Jeez. Sad story bro. You voted for trump to stay true to your values?? LOL. What are those…corruption and cruelty?
LOL….you cult member apologists really are comically idiotic.
Rump is a bankrupt fool.all of his lackeys should get it but my grandkids will not go to a devos camp and die
..as far as this govt.it has all the markings of Germany in 30s and 40s.and again the people sit by idly and let a madman bark.
Exactly true about Germany; it’s incredibly unfortunate that most Americans are too poorly educated/ignorant to appreciate how history is repeating itself–Trump is literally using Hitler’s playbook. We’re just fortunate that Trump is much more incompetent and stupid, and clearly suffering from frontotemporal dementia, otherwise his infliction of damage and suffering would be much worse. As Trump gets more and more desperate about losing the election,I fear a modern-day equivalent of the Reichstag fire, a terrorist attack, staged as his excuse for suspending civil rights and locking down his control of the country. He’s already sending secret police in unmarked military garb and unmarked vans (!!!!!) to whisk away citizens exercising their constitutional rights to assemble and to freedom of speech, and floating the idea of suspending the election.
You really are lacking in good judgement in a host of areas of your life. Unfortunately, your selfish approach to life cost other people their lives. No wonder the whole family is angry with you. You basically helped kill their loved ones.
You murdered one of your family members. You set up this house party. It is your fault.
Moreover, with your conspiracy theories you may have murdered others.
You ask for sympathy, but you deserve none. You deserve a lifetime of shame and regret for what you have done. It is a shame that your family member died at your hands, while you yet live.
Uh the Republican Party keeps claiming they can replace Obama care better after they repeal it. T-45 had two full years to pass a replacement. Instead his administration has merely aided states suing to repeal it.
So the Republican health plan is to bankrupt If the bills get too large. I’d suggest practice what you’ve preached.
Try brankruptsy, health troubles are the single most common reason for financial collapse and later insolvency proceedings. Ditch out on paying your rich creditors. T-45 has done it several times over.
Exactly!
And no one deserves to hear such drop of evil coming from your…keyboard. Your lack of compassion and comments of shame is exactly why our society is so divided, and why we have tragedies like this. When you say shit like that, no wonder right wingers run further to the right. Show compassion. His reality was not your reality. If you lived close to anywhere the virus was rampaging…you have a different reality from us down south here in March and April. Nothing was going on. I was in both areas and became as frustrated as you are now. But some people just can’t see something until it’s right there in front of them. Human Nature. Esp if there’s mistrust in the media, and even liberal media is like can suck. Thanks for believing in science. Did you know once upon a time, science philosophy and spirituality was ONE? You and Tony share the same world and you, him, and I are ALL victims to a greater evil – media and greed. He has is reasons for believing what he did. Maybe ask why, before casting judgement. The conservatives and libertarians help us understand a real important thing about being human – agency and sovereignty.
To Tony – HEAL. Just HEAL. and do your part to help society heal. Sharing your story is a great first step.
For me COVID-19 is REAL . However, it is a flu virus which some deny. There is quite a lot of conspiracy about it. President Trump earlier called it a “Plandemic.” I believe that it is. I do not think that it came from a bat or Chinese animal market. In 2009 we started taking NAC (an amino acid) 600 mg. capsules from Swanson Vitamins. About $10.00 a bottle. A leaked e-mail from a Texas doctor said that it prevented H1N1 flu. We started taking it then and have NOT had any flu or flu shots either. Child: one/daily Adult: 2/daily This also strengthen the lungs, helps digestion, and does many good things for us. We will NOT be having any COVID-19 nose-jab testing (may implant 5 G chip) and vaccinations. These COULD be dangerous! I truly believe that this whole COVID-19 CALAMITY is the fault of the U.S. Government. I am publicly on Facebook. ETERNAL SURVIVAL BLESSINGS FOR YAHWEH’S SAINTS!
Fuck off, Yuri.
Dallas Voice is a shit rag. You blatantly allow misinformation and Soviet influencers. You’re the media source for LGBTQ’s like Hitler was the spokesperson for Jews. Get bent.
I just want to extend my sincerest condolences to you and your family.
I don’t feel that bad for u. U voted for the guy. U thought the pandemic was fake. Sorry for your loss but u kind of deserve what you got. Some of you would rather be dead than vote for a competent woman. Well here u are.
Guilt is a real motherf’er, ain’t it? You best be spending night and day spreading the message of your own stupidity so at least the death and suffering was not in vain.
I’m sorry for your family members. But good lord, being a gay man, did you learn nothing from the AIDS epidemic? Did all the men who died before you during the 80’s & 90’s die in vain? They weep at your willful ignorance.
Ann, spot on comment. In the 80s when a “new” virus was decimating the gay population, the Reagan Administration did and said nothing about HIV/AIDS until 6 or 7 years after it had begun to spread. I think the reason might be because, early on, the thousands of victims were mostly gay men, drug users, prostitutes and Haitians. All were, in the eyes of the GOP administration, what could be construed as “expendable”. Fast forward to 2020 and COVID-19. Initially, the earliest groups of folks succumbing from this virus were the elderly, people of colour, the impoverished without health insurance, etc. Until it swept into and through the heart of the country, and the infected and fatality numbers started climbing exponentially did Trump and his administration take notice…oh wait, my bad…I believe mask wearing and social distancing and scientific knowledge of the virus and how it is spread still had not been totally acknowledged by Trump and his cabal. I won’t even get into the faux news from Fox News, but they own a lot of the misinformation that Trump has picked up on. He calls himself a stable genius, but he does not even know what he doesn’t know and that is a very dangerous thing.
As for Tony Green, it would be rather interesting to see whom he will vote for on November 3rd given his sudden epiphany.
All exactly true.
Why would you think the virus was a hoax? Whoever told you that was a liar. Trump is the person who politicized the virus. Trump was the person who defunded the CDC pandemic response team.
I will never understand why people mix up their political beliefs with science. I would take the word of the World Health Organization over that of a failed casino owner and TV game show host. If you choose to follow a liar, don’t be surprised when he lies to you.
I’m disgusted by the level of sheer, willful ignorance by the author. This is the cancer that infects our society. You REALLY think that several *billion* people, dozens of countries and the Dem party ALL CONSPIRED against Trump? My god, how ignorant can you be? The depths to which you Fox News/Trumpists/Q-Bots will sink to deny reality is infuriating to those of us who prefer to live in the real world. You simply refuse to accept you voted for a horrifically cruel and sociopathic person for office. YOU VOTED FOR TRUMP SPECIFICALLY TO HURT OTHER PEOPLE.
It really is amazing to see how fast you morons jump in line when life slaps you across the face. I don’t feel sorry for you. You can whine about your guilt all you want. But you’re not getting any sympathy from those of us who spent MONTHS terrified of this virus, doing ALL the right things to stay safe, only to have right-wing ideologues like you spiral this nation into an abyss we are still at the bottom of because you can’t get out of your own echo chambers. Frankly, you should be held criminally responsible for what happened to your family. I hope this haunts you the rest of your life. You are a typical conservative who does nothing to move this country forward. You’re a threat to our well-being. Thank you for proving it.
Gross Dave.
Your lack of compassion and comments of shame is exactly why our society is so divided, and why we have tragedies like this. When you say shit like that, no wonder right wingers run further to the right. Show compassion. We need to stop making the GODAWFUL assumption that all our decisions are intended to cause harm. And to stop assuming the other side INTENDS to cause harm. Because it’s just not true. We unfortunately do NOT share the same reality. He has is reasons for believing what he did. Maybe ask why, before casting judgement. The conservatives and libertarians help us understand a real important thing about being human – agency and sovereignty.
I took the virus just as seriously as you did. But unless it’s malicious, as we’ve seen in some videos of defiant right wingers….I won’t blame anyone for the loss of family due to Covid-19. We all agree there is SO much unknown about this mfer of a virus…there’s no grounds for blaming a man for that loss. You know for goddamn sure he did not SEEK to harm his family. You’re the one spreading evil by saying that.
Tony, you have my sincerest condolences. You will probably never get over how you responded to the pandemic and will feel regret the rest of your days. Being willfully ignorant has its price and I’m not trying to be needlessly cruel. I am a progressive liberal though I don’t really feel there’s anything about my beliefs that are radical. The worst thing about covid is how it has been politicized. Conservatives have such a visceral hatred for Democrats and the left that they’ll ignore science and fact to ‘own’ them at all costs. Including their lives. If we had leadership in dealing with the virus the casualties would be less. Far less. Trump owns this. He’s got plenty of blood on his hands along with all the other criminal activity for which he deserves to be held accountable. Republicans and the right have got to screw their heads on straight and get over their emotional blind hatred of the left. For a start, stop watching and reading right wing media. The ones that clearly lie when it comes to science and facts. Liberals are not the demons you think we are and you have to find a way to understand this. The Republican party and it’s enablers are toxic to themselves and this country. We need two functioning parties and right now we have one. Being constructive with the issues that this country faces is the only way we can move forward. For the last 20+ years I haven’t seen productive GOP policies that benefit the country and its citizens. Not widely or enough. Stop acting out and playing petty politics. The left needs a healthy right.
You dumb cockspattle, you dumbshit reprehensible sack of pus, you utterly horrible absolutely useless piece of shit.
I blame you for 150,000 deaths. You dirt, you scum, you utter failure at humanity.
Sorry for your pain and loss. Hoping that you stop watching propaganda TV and listening to the incompetent boob in the WH.
Your values are skewed if they align with Trump’s. He has absolutely none.
Your article certainly hits home but you must know by now that the trumpers will simply say that you’ve been compromised and paid by the Democrats to make up these “lies” about the fake virus. The biggest problem with the tribe you run with is their total isolation from any ideas that aren’t part of the group. They are impervious to logic, reason, science, examples or any information that could possibly make them “wrong” or worse.. make a progressive/liberal right. As far as I know there isn’t anything we can do about it but good on you for speaking out.
Tony,
You ignored the science to “own the libs” and you got owned by Covid-19. Oops.
Karma bit you on the butt – or is it simply God’s retribution for voting for Trump?
In any case, you intentionally endangered the lives of everyone with whom you had contact. You deserve no sympathy.
I can’t believe any rational adult was dumb enough to think this was a “scam.” But then again, you voted for Trump. Good luck with the self-hatred and your GoFundMe, hypocrite.
Texas. Wall to wall ignorance. And in your case it killed *BOTH* of your in-laws. For what, because you were actually stupid enough to think that the virus was made up by a political party for political gains. There might be dumber reasons but I can’t think of one, And we wonder why America is not only the laughing stock of the world but we’ve jettisoned every ounce of leadership we built up since WWII. Dumb and dumber. I hope you see their faces in your dreams every night. Maybe you can wake up and yell “MAGA” and it will all go away.
So in short, because you’re a brainwashed, conservative idiot who doesn’t understand science you killed someone and made others sick. Did I get that correct?
I believe you did.
What about all the first responders and helpful people that you have insanely put in danger. Do they deserve to die because you were stupid.
F-You – For your vote for Trump
F-You – For believing fake news because you thought it was a choice.
F-You – For acting on your beliefs that you knew had no scientific basis.
Your whiny note won’t change any opinion from others of your type, and it just makes those of us who tried to warn you angry. You belong in a jail cell for years to come for involuntary manslaughter. Your life income needs to be given to those people who cared for you. I hope you live a long life in extreme poverty.
Your lack of compassion and comments of shame is exactly why our society is so divided, and why we have tragedies like this. When you say shit like that, no wonder right wingers run further to the right. Show compassion. We need to stop making the GODAWFUL assumption that all our decisions are intended to cause harm. And to stop assuming the other side INTENDS to cause harm. Because it’s just not true. We unfortunately do NOT share the same reality. He has is reasons for believing what he did. Maybe ask why, before casting judgement. The conservatives and libertarians help us understand a real important thing about being human – agency and sovereignty.
I took the virus just as seriously as you did. I won’t blame anyone for the loss of family due to Covid-19. We all agree there is SO much unknown about this mfer of a virus…there’s no grounds for blaming a man for that loss. You know for goddamn sure he did not SEEK to harm his family. You’re the one spreading evil by saying that.
Boohoo…….you can copy and paste this reply all you want but it’s BS and you can go suck it.
“I love you. Sorry I killed your grandmother.”
#ConservativeFilth trying to convince #ConservativeFilth that they’re not part of the hoax.
Do you understand how dumb that makes you?
Whether from covid or a bus, hopefully you die in agony. #GoodRiddance
And no, I don’t apologize for wishing for the death of a fascist pig. You can lecture me on morality if you mourned the passage of Osama bin Laden
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I’m not religious, but there are so many disgusting comments on this article, from both “sides.” Grow up, look in the mirror at your imperfect self, and hold your tongue (fingers) if all you’re going to do is spew hateful crap.
Will, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” applies to you as I presume you’re a Christian. Those of us who are not Christians don’t have to live by that standard. I’ll cast as many “stones” as I want to, when I want to. That’s part of what comes with the First Amendment. I live in a country where I don’t have to follow other people’s religious standards.
But here’s something else you as a Christian are supposed to be living by….
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” You were pretty judgy in your comment. Who are you to tell people to follow Christ’s words when you don’t? “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
Margaret, you are pretty terrible at reading, Will stated outright in his second sentence that he’s not religious. You also for some bizarre reason think he’s a hypocrite for pointing out that a lot of comments here are hateful crap. He did not post hateful crap himself, then call out others for doing it. There’s no plank in his eye to remove. He simply implored people to not be so nasty.
You’re a trumpian and a so-called conservative. So delete your goFundMe and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Stop expecting a handout to bail you out of the consequences of your poor judgement.
Typical trump-jumper. Immune to facts. Doesn’t care about others, but only when it directly affects you.
Get stuffed.
Seriously. He voted for people who have been publicly proclaiming for years that they want to gut millions of peoples’ health insurance. Now his family members need $ help because they lack good health insurance. I don’t understand what’s wrong with “conservatives”. Especially members of minority groups that are explicitly oppressed by “conservatives” — gay people, people of color, women. How much self-hatred must a person have to willingly join and vote for their own oppressors???
I am truly sorry so many people had to suffer and tragically at least one lost their life. Here is what is hard to swallow. They’ve established a gofundme page! By his own admission they carelessly and selfishly put the public at risk Now they want to public to pay? What a screwed up USA we live in now.
Time to file for bankruptcy, dust your self off and pull your self out of a deep hole of your own making.
Your hero #45
Said is was just a media hoax in February and early March,
Then he said it would go away in April
Then in May it was time to open back up
June he had other concerns, and stopped daily briefings,
July he went back to campaigning, while those in his circle have gotten sick.
Now in late July masks are ok but it is now time to get the kids back in school full time.
The story keeps shifting every few weeks.
It is only still spreading in the third world, Brazil and here in the USA.
If this was an evil foreign plot then why not shut down, gather evidence and make the evil foreign nation pay the costs?
Conservatisism is about refusing to change except back to the dark ages.
Sorry dude, best wishes, now take care of you and yours.
It is the conservative way. Don’t be a leech on society.
Indeed. What is he, some kind of (gasp) SOCIALIST?!
What the heck?! You should take down that link to the gofundme pages to help pay for your family’s medical services.- asking for a freaking handout? If you’re not supporting healthcare for all at this point, you should be even more ashamed of yourself. Unbelievable.
The catastrophe that this country is facing is *all* Trump’s fault and it’s been perpetuated by fools like you. I can only hope this experience changes who you vote for and support come November.
Texas. Wall to wall ignorance. And in your case it killed *BOTH* of your in-laws. For what, because you were actually stupid enough to think that the virus was made up by a political party for political gains. There might be dumber reasons but I can’t think of one, And we wonder why America is not only the laughing stock of the world but we’ve jettisoned every ounce of leadership we built up since WWII. Dumb and dumber. I hope you see their faces in your dreams every night. Maybe you can wake up and yell “MAGA” and it will all go away.
You should take down your gofundme link to help pay for your family’s medical services – unbelievable. Are you looking for a hand out? Maybe your next article will be in support of heath care for all since you’re advertising your own family can’t handle the burden.
The catastrophe that the country is facing now is only Trump’s fault and the fools like you who support him. I can only hope that this experience will give you the courage to vote him out come November.
Re-examine all your political beliefs and your sources of news. Calling covid-19 a scam shows you have some seriously bad sources of information and you should be doing some deep personal reflection on how you got that way.
Step 1 – repudiate every source that told you the crisis was fake or overblown.
If you’re not willing to do that, you really haven’t learned the deepest lesson. It’s about more than covid-19 – it’s about truth.
You seem to understand the Law & Order mentality as a Texas Conservative. What’s the penalty for Manslaughter?
Got what you deserved. No sympathy. You might have infected and killed members of my family as well. Your smug narcissistic “I know better than science” attitude netted you exactly what you asked for. Could not feel less sorry for you or any of your family who also believed the “scam.” YOU are the reason the country is in the state that it is. Live with that for the rest of your life; that is your legacy.
You voted for the monster who has continually minimized the severity of this pandemic while hundreds of thousands of Americans die and millions are infected. Who even today is hindering efforts to both get hospitals the PPE they need and to stop the spread. Who is hitting the Affordable Care Act at a time when Americans need health insurance more than ever. AND you selfishly put your family, all the hospital workers, and the public at risk with your own arrogance and stupidity. For POLITICS?!? And now you want people to donate to your family’s care?!? Are you kidding me?!? You, every member of your family, and everyone who denies the reality of this pandemic and refuses to wear a mask should be refused medical treatment. I’m high risk and have hardly been able to leave my house since February because of selfish assholes like you. ZERO SYMPATHY.
Got what you deserved. No sympathy. You might have infected and killed members of my family as well. Your smug narcissistic “I know better than science” attitude netted you exactly what you asked for. Could not feel less sorry for you or any of your family who also believed the “scam.” YOU are the reason the country is in the state that it is. Live with that for the rest of your life; that is your legacy. The absolute GALL of you setting up a GoFundMe when people who have done the right thing from the beginning are suffering. The absolute gall. Thought I’d seen it all.
There are two reasons why this article does not sit well with me: the GoFundMe link at the end which is a bit rich, coming from someone who belongs to the party of personal responsibility and, nowhere did I see that he was passing on voting Trump in for a second term.
I feel for you. Mainly because I have relatives a lot like you. And I’m tired of trying to convince them to do the right thing, but I can’t stop because it’s their lives, those they come in contact with, including exhausted healthcare workers who can’t keep up this marathon pace, at risk. And I love them too much.
So I tell them how coming together as a nation to beat covid is as American as it gets. It’s how we’ve gotten through other global threats like world wars, like polio, like the great public works we still use today that were born from the Great Depression. And this is a global issue. Not a Dem hoax they somehow convinced every other nation to cripple themselves over to put on a show for Dems. Other countries have gotten it under control through sacrifice, science, and putting others first. Other countries have addressed a number of issues we just throw our hands up about and act like it isn’t preventable. We can’t let covid be yet another thing we gave up on. America shouldn’t be a country of people who give up. “Get on with dying” can’t be our slogan. I’m very afraid my next family gathering I’ll miss is a funeral many states away. Hopefully it won’t. Hopefully we’ll get on with living soon and the pathway to that has been demonstrated in countries all of the world.
Well Sir, you learned a very hard lesson. Too bad it was at the cost of a death in your family. Shame on you! It still boggles my mind that you could be in such denial! I cannot have a lot of sympathy for you because everything you are going through is self inflicted. We are losing thousands of American citizens every day and you actually stood there and put your entire family in danger because you chose to believe Donald Trump? My God, what were you thinking? You should get in every cable channel, every radio station, every newspaper every Social Media Platform and tell everyone how wrong you are. What is the most sickening is how far you went spouting conspiracy theories. You reap what you sow Sir. I hope you spend the rest of your life trying to make it right.
What is wrong. with conservative. Republican brains?🙄
Fuck you Tony. Murderer.
You voted for the monster who has continually minimized the severity of this pandemic while hundreds of thousands of Americans die and millions are infected. Who even today is hindering efforts to both get hospitals the PPE they need and to stop the spread. You voted for the man who is gutting the Affordable Care Act at a time when Americans need health insurance more than ever. You willingly chose to ignore “mainstream media” and SCIENTISTS, because they were at odds with the moron you elected. AND you selfishly put your family, all the hospital workers, and the public at risk with your own arrogance and stupidity. For POLITICS?!? And now you want people to donate to your family’s care?!? Are you kidding me?!? You, every member of your family, and all the MAGAts who deny the reality of this pandemic and refuse to wear a mask should be refused medical treatment and prosecuted for criminal assault for infecting the rest of us. I’m high risk, I’ve done everything I can to flatten the curve and be responsible during this pandemic, and because of selfish assholes like you, I have hardly been able to leave my house since February. I notice you stopped short of saying you won’t vote again for Trump, despite the fact that he is a huge reason why you made the poor decisions that led to your family’s current situation, and why the rest of us are needlessly suffering and dying from this virus. ZERO SYMPATHY.
I’m sorry, but it’s really hard to feel bad for people like this. You spend your life sowing pain and suffering in the name of your political “values” what exactly do you expect reap? And now you want strangers to crowdfund your family’s medical expenses? So much for all those cherished Conservative Values you gambled your family’s lives over. In the end, the only thing American Conservatism actually values is the right to be a selfish prick with no consequences. Too bad a viral pandemic doesn’t care about your “Free Speech” and “Religious Liberty”, but I guess you’ve at least learned that lesson.
This article is actually just disgusting to read. I have no sympathy for a man who voted for Trump, still supported/believed him, had no regard for public safety, openly mocked those who followed safety guidelines, He is selfish and willfully ignorant and now only changes his beliefs because he is effected by them. He would continue to be a conspiracy believing fool who would watch hundreds of thousands die and not change his mind still. He and his family got what they deserved. This is 100% Darwinism.
Remember when Dr. Fauci said the US death toll could get as high as 100K – 200K? https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823517467/fauci-estimates-that-100-000-to-200-000-americans-could-die-from-the-coronavirus
Remember when the death toll was only in the 60K (in April, I think) and the president called his predictions false and therefore, not to be trusted? Remember all the times since January that he’s downplayed the virus? Remember his mask-optional rally? How about all the times (including today) that he and other conservatives vilified Democrats for being cautious? We’re again being challenged and vilified because we dare to question reopening schools when we neither have a plan to keep teachers and students safe nor does it make sense when cases are spiking. We’re being ignored and derogatorily called socialist for asking how they can continue their efforts to repeal the ACA during a pandemic. I’m glad that so many of you have listed the numerous ways this administration has acted cowardly divisively and stupidly in its handling of this pandemic.
Thank you. We know their game of doing the wrong thing, then trying revisionist history to absolve them of their responsibility. Please continue to share the truth. Even in the face of truth, followers of the president will believe whatever they want to. We have to be out here countering their lies with facts. They may not choose to believe it, but history needs to hold them accountable nonetheless.
Remember when Dr. Fauci said the US death toll could get as high as 100K – 200K? https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823517467/fauci-estimates-that-100-000-to-200-000-americans-could-die-from-the-coronavirus
Remember when the death toll was only in the 60K (in April, I think) and the president called his predictions false and therefore, not to be trusted? Remember all the times since January that he’s downplayed the virus? Remember his mask-optional rally? How about all the times (including today) that he and other conservatives vilified Democrats for being cautious? We’re again being challenged and vilified because we dare to question reopening schools when we neither have a plan to keep teachers and students safe nor does it make sense when cases are spiking. We’re being ignored and derogatorily called socialist for asking how they can continue their efforts to repeal the ACA during a pandemic. I’m glad that so many of you have listed the numerous ways this administration has acted cowardly divisively and stupidly in its handling of this pandemic.
Thank you. We know their game of doing the wrong thing, then trying revisionist history to absolve them of their responsibility. Please continue to share the truth. Even in the face of truth, followers of the president will believe whatever they want to. We have to be out here countering their lies with facts anyway. They may choose to believe the falsehoods, but history needs to hold this president and his enablers accountable nonetheless.
I understand not trusting the media, but why didn’t you believe the medical professionals in your area? Did you believe them all to be liars? As a physician, I am so upset by all the harm your beliefs have caused. I do appreciate your willingness to admit your mistakes. Public health and medicine should not be political… I hope that you can convince others of this. I wish it didn’t have to come to people suffering and dying to learn this.
Because of you and people like, A LOT more than just your family has suffered. Shame on you.
You killed someone you claimed to care about because of your stupidity. I sincerely hope you do suffer for the rest of your life. The shame being that you’re also complicit in many others dying by voting for a moron like yourself. You have no values Tony. You didn’t even value your own family’s lives. You’re an abominable hypocrite and only when you see the consequences of your abominable actions do you begin to grasp what you have done. Why are all Republicans such shallow-thinking ignoramuses Tony? I hope you feel that pain. I hope it is agony every day for the rest of your life. That’s what it’s like for the rest of us living in a world full of morons like yourself who only want to inflict suffering with your tepid and vapid lives. Nothing good comes from Republicans, nothing.
Choices have consequences, I’m not convinced this is news..this is like those Karen articles.
Tony, I read your article with a tightening in my chest and a growing urge to both cry and scream. Four years of Trump’s reign and yet it took you and your family falling ill and dying to cause a change of heart, and that reversal is only about COVID-19, I notice. I want to scream because what you’re telling me is that only if they and theirs are directly affected will others like you acknowledge—that it’s not a bloody hoax and your goddamned leader lied to you when he said it was.
I’m tired of the rest of us sacrificing as hard as we can, while you and others like you walk around behind us undoing all of our efforts as hard as YOU can, stopping up your ears and yelling “nah nah nah nah nah…I can’t hear you” when we beg you to listen to reason/ science. Like willful children you only learn when you get burnt. I’m sorry that your family got hurt, but your criminal negligence didn’t hurt just them, your little outbreak cluster is going to spread out in waves of infection way past the boundaries of those who matter to you.
Go preach to the rest of your “hard-eared” Trump supporters and hope to whichever god you pray to that you can undo some of the damage you’ve done by making even just one of them see the light.
Imagine killing your father in law and then thinking “calling yourself out” will somehow make amends for the life you took.
Amen. This man is disgusting
Tony,
You’re begging for donations for medical care after voting to deny healthcare to others.
You’re like Nancy reversing her opposition to stem cell research after Ronnie got Alzheimer’s disease.
You ignored the science to “own the libs” and you got owned by Covid-19. Oops.
Karma bit you on the butt – or is it simply God’s retribution for voting for Trump?
In any case, you intentionally endangered the lives of everyone with whom you had contact. You deserve no sympathy.
I call people like you Butt Boys For Bigots.
Agreed. He voted for someone who pretty much ran on a platform of “let poor people die” and now he’s begging for money for healthcare. No, Sorry, I gave too much to Joe Biden, I’m all maxed out. Maybe he can ask Steve Mnuchn for a loan.
You should kill yourself. It’s the only way to start making amends.
Meh. He’ll vote for Trump again to “own the libs” and “build that wall” and continue his support of a racist monster who doesn’t care that his family is dead. Hard to feel sorry for someone that blinded by their own racism and hate.
After your death, when you’re standing in front of the gates of heaven, Jesus and St. Peter will be there judging your life. They will notice that you had this experience but then decided to vote for Trump again in 2020 (and you know you will) because you harbor an enormous hatred for democrats in your heart based on a mountain of republican lies. What are you going to say to them when they ask why you continued to support liars, cheaters, and murderers after having your eyes opened to the truth?
Car accidents are not contagious.
You godawful jackass. Better you had died, of course. Instead you killed the innocent.
Well, you’re a Trumpist. Kids in concentration camps weren’t enough to wise you up. This probably won’t either.
Fell on your sword? All you did was whine for sympathy, and frankly I’m worn out from sympathizing with people who’ve suffered thanks to careless, selfish, and ignorant behavior like yours. Further, I must have missed the part where you apologized to the general public for the damage you helped perpetuate. Want some praise and warm feelings? Get to work on defeating the scammer you helped vote into office.
Dear Lord I pray for your family and I pray that there are no more deaths and that everyone else comes through this, but I hear people blaming the Republicans blaming the Democrats. I am a full on Republican, and I do not blame this horrible virus on the Democrats and I don’t blame it on the Republicans, I blame this on China for holding this a secret for God only knows how long and I blame this on the virus, read your Bible it will let you know that what is going on right now in our world is exactly what the Bible said would happen so quit blaming everybody and understand that this world was meant for this to happen. No one is to blame. If you wanna blame anybody read your Bible and blame Adam and eve for not listening to God. Amen and again I pray that your family has no more deaths and the rest of you get through this safely may God be with you amen
Do you wonder why you have a hard time getting respect from either group? Maybe now it’s time to choose the better group and listen to them since the worse group has only created this hardship for you. Imagine your life had you been listening to us all along.
You idiotic Log Cabin Republicans have always made me sick. You killed people in your family due to your ignorance and arrogance, but you have been killing people like yourself with your votes long before now. The republican platform is anti gay! This president has been proven to be anti gay long before he was president, but you still voted for him! WHY? Gay and trans folks are being beaten, harmed and even murdered in this country on a daily basis. This president and the republican party vote against protections that could halt these murders. But you, a gay man like myself, vote against your own kind for what reason? You sit there and enjoy having a partner and a life with another man on the backs of people who have fought and died for gay rights, but then turn around and undermine their sacrifice and progress. I am sorry your family has suffered loss and my heart goes out to them. Even if they are republicans themselves, I do not blame them. But you sicken me. You should have known better. F’ing traitor!
Was the author, Tony Green, “patient zero” at this family get together?
My mother died suddenly in May (not of Covid). Because of people like you, I haven’t been able to visit my father. We can’t plan a memorial for her. My state locked down for ten weeks and is in a fairly good place now, but because of people like you my passport is worthless and I have no idea when I’ll see my European boyfriend again. I sat at home for all of April and May and most of March and June to help contain the virus. The isolation plus my mother’s death sent me into a serious depression, but I did it anyway. People like you wasted my sacrifice and the sacrifice of so many millions of others who were smart enough to *believe science* rather than wait for catastrophic personal impact before doing the minimum. Please, for the love of god, internalize this experience. Let it change you. You owe your fellow citizens that much.
Tony, it would be nice if I could say I’m sorry, but no. You note that you are gay and still voted for tramp. You had tons of information of how disgusting, criminal and deceitful he is back in 2016 and you still voted for him. If you can’t vote wisely, don’t vote at all.
My wife started a charity for Central American children. She was so devastated by tramp’s cruelty at the border that she lost hope and took her life. As far as I’m concerned, you helped to kill her and many of the 150,000 dead to date.
Jim, your wife sounds like she was a deeply caring woman. I’m so sorry for your loss.
It’s been awful seeing those children — children who came here legally — locked in cages, sleeping on the floor, denied medical care. The second-worst thing was knowing that those children would stay locked up until another president was sworn in. The worst thing was knowing that this harm could never be undone: some of these children will never be reunited with their parents, even the ones that are reunited will have scars they will carry for a lifetime. All to satisfy the cruelty and racism of a bunch of bigots and Latin-X conservatives who think “I’ve got mine. Fuck anyone else who comes after me.”
People like Tony Green. There was nothing in his blog to make me think that even now he regrets supporting Trump or Trump’s actions. I’m grateful at least that Tony Green didn’t claim to be a Christian. I don’t think my stomach could have handled that.
You are an ignorant self serving son of a whore
..fuck you and your defense of donald fucking trump…he will die in prison
if karma rears her head…and on a positive note…if karma is real..some pedophile will fuck him to death…and while his master is strangling him before he comes…the spirit of epstein will be laughing hysterically as he withers away into hell
I really don’t care what happens to people too damn dumb to protect themselves. Have at it folks. But what I do care about is the cost they inflict on their fellow citizens through putting doctors, nurses, police, grocery checkers, etc. in harms way because they are too selfish to take care. What if all competent medical people told you that you would put people in serious jeopardy if you didn’t take certain precautions and you STILL were not willing to do the right thing? And you infected your children or parents or spouse. What kind of person are you? Are you personally responsible? Are you guilty of manslaughter?
I am truly sorry for your loss and hardship. However, I find it difficult to have any sympathy for you. Your willful ignorance of the severity of COVID-19 caused your entire family to get the illness and the death of an elderly, at-risk family member. YOU should be the one covering the unexpected medical costs for your family members.
It saddens me to see that not once in this long write-up did you say the simple yet highly important words, “I’m sorry.”
You say you feel “guilty” but that’s not the same. Someone can feel guilty without necessarily feeling sorry for their actions. Are you truly sorry for misleading people with your words? Sorry for misleading your family? Sorry for politicizing this virus and calling it a scamdemic?
People make mistakes, but just changing your tune is not enough.
Where’s the apology?
Imagine being so stupid that you think a worldwide pandemic is a hoax. I’m so sick of these people living their lives as they please, making fun of people taking this seriously, then suddenly telling us to take it seriously because they almost died or their parents or grandparents died because they had to have fun.
I’m completely appalled. As someone who lives in Connecticut near the NY line and the first epicenter in the U.S., and as someone who first started preparing in late January when the first cases were being reported, I cannot fathom the complete lack of regard for fellow citizens, yet alone family members. How could any person not have seen the horrific situation in Wuhan, then in other places, then here in the U.S. and not take vigilance? This person had to have been in complete denial and completely ignorant to have gotten himself in this situation. Since when did republicans start to disregard fellow human beings — and life for that matter — to such a blatant extent? It’s utterly appalling. And narcissistic.
Hope owning the libs and politicizing a virus worked out well for you.
Mr. Green…
I too am gay. When I saw you were also, and that you had believed this all to be ihe invention of democrats and the media, I just have to ask..How could you believe something that scientists and doctors, from all over the world, were corroborating -that Covid did indeed present a great danger? You obviously are an educated man..so how on earth could you have missed the steady drumbeat of information coming from science and medicine? Im flabbergasted that any American could buy the nonsense that is being touted by mostly conservative citizens as being some political inttique by Democrats and the media. Im sorry it took the infection of your family to learn something taught in most 5th grade health classes- That infectious diseases are created by viruses or bacteria, and not by the liberals and CNN..that that we can do things to medically respond to pandemics by social distancing and wearing mask. I certainly hope this lesson will also show you how incompetently the WH responded..and that you will continue to tell your story to other Covid deniers. You might have avoided all this if you listened to other TV stations or read other papers without a
rabidly pro-Trump POV.
Well said, David!
You’re a god damned idiot. You moronic asses are responsible for a tyrannical president who did nothing to stop this. Rot in your own perceived hell knowing that your ignorance killed thousands
I’m sorry this happened and wish you a full recovery.
But, try to imagine: I knew this was a serious problem the day Trump first said it wasn’t a problem. I’m serious from that day I was scared and started wearing masks and told my company I’m working from home or fire me (the CEO fortunately thought the same as me).
Do you not actually realize that Trump lies about simply everything? Cares about only himself? Time and time and time again? I knew him to be a slimeball, mafioso money con-man way before he ran. What in God’s hell we’re people thinking? The guy publicly lusts after his own daughter! Holy hell. I knew he would end very bad and destructively the only surprise is how it would happen. If covid never happened it would have been something else the guy cannot manage any business but reality TV because that is a con and he’s good at coning.
Good piece. The only bad thing about it is you’re still alive to tell the tale. You are guilty of manslaughter — not just for killing that old lady and leaving her to die alone, but for voting for a president who would end the republic to avoid looking bad for a news cycle. Because of you, he just might.
You’re an asshole. Do us all a favor and stop voting. You’ve shown yourself to be incapable of responsibly exercising that right.
He got what he deserved.
I notice your guilt is for your family, and while it’s terrible that they had to suffer for your deliberate ignorance, they also had the ability to think for themselves. I notice you have not mentioned any guilt over who all of you may have exposed and even sickened or killed before you even held this event. Someone was sick before they arrived at your event. Who did they/you infect in your massive selfishness and willful decision to ignore facts? I don’t feel any sympathy for you. Only contempt. Yet one more conservative who can’t understand something until he is directly affected. It’s rather tired.
Lol. Great content.
Enjoy learning that actions can have consequences. A pity it took death to get there.
I am over these articles. Common sense didn’t catch up to you until your entire family caught the coronavirus. What makes you think your words will matter when you didn’t believe in taking caution? Those who you’re trying to reach won’t believe you. They will also learn the hard way.
Mr Green, I am sorry for your family’s loss and your current situation. You sound like you are open to reflection about how you came to believe the things you believe, and you recognize your beliefs led to great suffering for your loved ones. I would ask you to consider what other things you believe to be true might not actually be true, and how your advocation of those beliefs may lead to more harm for your loved ones.
As you found out, viruses are very non-partisan. Science and physics are non-partisan. Climate change is also non-partisan, and the suffering it will bring will dwarf this pandemic in human and economic costs. A friend commented that conservatives didn’t believe anything until it effected them personally, and I want to hope this not true and that you can learn to grow and process new information.
A have a coworker who once went on a rant about what “the left” wants, and how disgusting it was. I asked him how he knew, and said Fox news and Drudge. I suggested next time he wanted to know how someone on the left felt, he should ask me and I would be happy to share. We have since had some very interesting conversations. Best of luck you.
Amen!!!!
I want my job back, I want my freedom back when we can.
wear the Fricking mask!!!!
And the author will vote all Republican in the fall – including voting for Trump again.
Tony Green is trying to have his cake and eat it too – he wants to be loved by Republicans/Conservatives because he’s gay and hey, he’s just like you.
Meanwhile, the Republican party has done absolutely nothing for gay rights – or even for his husband’s race. (I’m assuming his husband is Latino based on the name).
There’s no real remorse here or self-reflection of how his political beliefs and stupidity has caused this.
Tony Green should receive no sympathy. I hope he reads this.
Hmmmm, member of the party that is super-dedicated to stymieing any kind of national health care .
How’s that feel NOW, Tony? Still feeling smart for aligning yourself with a party that hates you?
And BTW, how did all you true believers spin the facts from Italy?
To be fair, the DNC DID just vote down medicare 4 all in their platform for this election season, so I don’t think either major party is in favor of it.
>not one American will be spared
Some of us have been sheltering, wearing masks when we have to leave the house, and social distancing since March. We’ll be around to clean up the mess you caused. Again.
TammyE, you are correct. Trump hasnt done anything to save lives. He SURRENDERED to the virus and like usual passed blame onto others, while stealing states supplies and sending them to Russia, China and Saudi Arabia while Americans were dying. In fact, states were forced to buy supplies from private vendors because Trump refused to enact the Production Act even today, and as states purchased ,Trump stole their supplies, then FALSELY CALLING THE PANDEMIC A HOAX, causing thousands to ignore the warnings and then dying, such as this author who believed a pathological liar and conartist named Trump, that golf’s instead of doing his job that he swore to do.
You forgot or perhaps purposely omitted that Trump removed the team from Asia in 2018 that would have alerted the USA of pending viruses originating in Asia, and was advised by other countries and the UN of the virus in March of 2019, BUT HE IGNORED THE WARNINGS, and NEVER bothered to utilize the Pandemic manual left by the Obama administration, having learned how to deal with pandemics during the successful lessons learned when they dealt with Ebola.
In other words, Trump created this mess, our of ignorance and avarice.
Tony, it’s not easy to admit to such mistakes, which had such terrible consequences. I commend you for that.
Now let’s see you take the next step, and pledge to vote for Joe Biden, so we can get rid of the raging lunatic at the top who was responsible for so much of the disinformation that has killed so many.
I just can’t wrap my head around the fact you’re a gay man who voted for Trump.
After all this, you’re still a Gay conservative?
You seem determined to learn as little as possible from your experience.
My parents died of AIDS during the Reagan Administration – the same Administration that stymied research into AIDS until their person friend Rock Hudson up and died of it.
Subsequently, conservatives have worked tirelessly to take away your civil rights.
Because of conservatism’s lie-based world view, you not only contracted a deadly disease that you were told was harmless or even a hoax, you spread it to others. It’s quite likely that people died horribly because you were unable to tell truth from fantasy.
Where’s your apology? Where’s the evidence that you have really changed, or learned anything?
No applause for you until you actually learn compassion.
The virus is real folks. Don’t be fooled by the failed leadership of Donald Trump and those who enable him. The virus is real. Trump called the virus a hoax. He said the virus will “miraculously go away” by Easter Sunday! Trump disbanded the Pandemic Response Team put in place by Pres. Obama because he hates anything Obama.
So, here we are six months later: 150,000+ Americans dead; more than 4 million infected with a deadly virus; 52 million jobs lost in less than 4 months.
Believe what you may, but remember this: calling a deadly virus a hoax is criminally negligent regardless of a person’s political affiliation. Blaming China, Chinese Americans or President Obama is not only stupid, it is a racist attempt to divert attention from the hard work we must all do to control & contain this pandemic.
The virus is real. Wear a mask. Socially distance. Wash your hands frequently. Stay safe, stay strong!
I read this piece a few hours ago and can’t stop thinking about it.
First, it’s better than he wrote this rather than said nothing. Kudos for that.
That said, I can’t help but feeling completely enraged at him. For his ignorance, for his stupidity, etc. And the commenters who point out that this is typical of right-wingers, I couldn’t agree more, Nothing is a problem until it affects them personally! Disgusting.
You’re a horrible human being and fake Christian. If you were a real Christian you’d understand about reaping what you’ve sown. Awful, awful person.
stupid fucking retard
trumpsters are traitors to this country. the ONLY people politicizing this pandemic are the REPUGNICANS. absolutely disgusting you all deserve to die from covid, not the people who actually tried to stay safe and keep others safe. I bet you’ll still go on to vote for trump who STILL refuses to do anything, yet all his stupid fascist followers will say “yeh but its from CHINA!” as if that will magically bring the 100,000 people who died back to life. YOU ARE ALL DISGUSTING TRAITORS
“Full disclosure: I am a gay conservative, someone that often juggles persecution for my sexuality while being true to my values. Such a combination requires a lot of tenacity to earn respect from either group.”
Values.
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
– John Kenneth Galbraith
These are the same folks who thought that AIDS was for the rabble and were shocked when they got sick and died. I am not going to comments on the author. He has suffered a great loss.
But conservative gay groups like the Log Cabin Republicans have stayed silent on the pandemic. We’re back to the same refrain: “silence = death.”
Is someone supposed to feel sorry for you or make you feel better by commiseratng with you? Not only did you bring this on yourself, your decisions and behaviors affected others who were doing their best to stay safe and be thoughtful of others. You’re a self-serving, self-absorbed moron.
Tony
Thank you for your story. Sorry for your loss and suffering. Hopefully there are some out there that will change their actions seeing/ hearing the lessons learned the hard way rather than experiencing the heart ache.
if you think Covid-19 is bad, just wait until climate change really ramps up. Oh, right, I forgot, climate change is a hoax too, right?
Looks like there are already hundreds of people dunking on your stupidity here, so I’ll just say:
You deserve every ounce of heartache and guilt you suffer from your own carelessness. Killed your own family to avoid admitting you were wrong. Beautiful thing is; your future kids and grandkids, nieces and nephews, will be able to find this post and know who you truly are. You killed THEIR family to make a political point. They will grow up without a grandpa because of you.
It’s concerning that you are a “cultural transformation coach to prisons and inmates in four states.” You should probably not be in a position to “teach” anything to a captive audience. I hope your guilt over this will lead you to examine other areas of your life where you may have drunk the Kook Aid.
Honestly, I am appalled by the quality of discussion on here. How is the country ever going to come together with this sort of vitriolic dehumanizing rhetoric??
The author has lost family and people here are blaming him for every idiotic thing that people have done. Everyone is susceptible to propaganda and becoming adverse to the truth. Please, I beg of you–see the humanity in each other. I understand everyone’s frustration is reaching a boiling point but name calling and blaming is not the way.
If you tell someone they are wrong–they will look to argue. Insult someone–they will look to cut you down as well.
For people who still trust Trump–ask yourself what line he has to cross before you will abandon him. For me, it was when he advocated torture for terrorist suspects during the 2016 campaign . I believe torture to be immoral and importantly it has been shown to ineffective –so I decided to no longer support or advocate for him. (His own words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpj3pp10wD8 )
What would that line be for you? ….If it is shooting 20 people with a machine gun on live TV–so be it.
You need to know what that line looks like to hold true to your values. For many I assume your moral line has been crossed but you are making excuses.
For all of you who despise Trump, and insult his followers, they are real people, with true emotion and concern. Yelling at them, blaming them, and insulting them–will not help you change their mind.
This article is proof that people presented with the proper evidence are capable of doing that. In this case–the proof came too late to save lives. I beg of you to stop insulting and start listening, understanding, and then seeking to be understood yourself. I beg of you–try the Socratic method (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method), try educating yourself on how to understand others ( I recommend “The Righteous Mind” By Jonathan Haidt)
Vitriol is not the answer–vitriol got us into this mess.
Nice job moron. I don’t feel sorry for that guy at all. It wasn’t a surprise, what was going on. While he touched on what Trump has said and the “rowdy supporters”, he never denounces Trump’s words and behavior…and that says it all. It’s a “I feel guilty but not really guilty. I’m sorry but not sorry”. Now he can take his medicine and choke on it. And don’t give us that “but he’s a human being” nonsense, because the millions of people who have gotten sick and hundreds of thousands who have died – they were all human beings too, and Trump and this Trumpsicle couldn’t have cared less, all in the name of their “liberty and freedom and blah blah blah”. Man, the Trumpshevics sure are stupid
1. At least they did us the courtesy of dying before election day. 2. The comments are all the proof you need that we live in a country where complete lunacy is the norm.
This guy can actually read and write? I am shocked. If nature was allowed to take its course. this guy and others like him would have been eliminated long, long ago!!
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I’m not religious, but this quote is needed here. There are so many disgusting comments on this article, from both “sides.” Grow up, look in the mirror at your imperfect self, and hold your tongue (fingers) if all you’re going to do is spew hateful crap.
“you reap what you sow.“
But, he stayed true to his values.
Me? I’m 70 years old and I’ve had to put up with selfish pricks like Tony all my life.
It’s not just Covid.. Tony benefits from the rights he fought against by supporting divisive, hateful bigots who used him like a concentration camp kapo. He’s the Vichy Nazi collaborator, the slave who beats the other slaves to please his master…
He deserves what he got. It’s Karma.
He can have all the thoughts and prayers he wants, but they’ll do him no good.
Thank you for being brave enough to undergo the intense scrutiny of admission. In this time of my and your tribe, you now have none because one side believes you have helped cause today 147000 US citizens dead including your father in law and the other side disowned you for admitting it.
I’m sorry you caused so much damage in your own life and I’m sorry that you have earned your lot in life. Thank you for taking personal responsibility but this article is far too little far too late. I’m of the belief you should be jailed for you negligence and intent.
Just another conservative idiot who didn’t give a shit about something until it affected them personally. Get fucked you piece of shit.
Everything is all a scam until it hits you in the nuts. I have no sympathy for you. You deserve the outcome of your actions but I hope your family makes it through this without any tragedy.
This is a classic example of a conservative who doesn’t care about suffering until it happens to himself or his loved ones. You conservatives are pathologically selfish narcissists, who are utterly incapable of empathy. That is why you are conservative, and that is why you took the position you did, and that is why your family members are suffering, and that is why you deserve it. Go to hell.
Tony you murdered your grandmother in law. You should be in prison for criminal stupidity leading to death. You personally deserve all of the suffering you are experiencing, plus prison. You ignorant obese cave man. You dumb Fox News zombie.
Dear republicans : the virus is a hoax as trump said. Just like global warming. Please do not wear masks, have parties with other Republicans , and go to the movies. Please do so massively before November 3rd.
A criminal act in my opinion. Science is not political. Science deniers get what they deserve. Apparently the entire family felt the same way or they would not have participated in these ill conceived social events. My sympathy lies only with any under age child exposed and the healthcare providers who put their lives on the line for these ignorant individuals. At the beginning of this piece the author mentions his “values”, what exactly are those?
Also not really covered in the comments (at least that I saw), is that the writer alone is not to blame. Yes he threw a party, but his adult relatives had the choice whether to go or not. It’s very possibly an entire family of alternative facters.
In your article you said ” I am a gay conservative, someone that often juggles persecution for my sexuality while being true to my values.”
Just curious which values you are being true to with this president? I don’t mean to be snarky, even though I’m sure it sounds that way. I truly wonder which values you hold that are worth being ridiculed for who you are and that you find embodied in any republican these days.
#1. The author is morbidly obese – the fact that he is shows he does not care about his health.
#2, The morbidly obese usually have other issues that effect their health, and are at greater risk for complications from COVID-19.
#3. The author states he is a gay, conservative Trump supporter. You can only be two of these things at the same time. Why anyone who is gay would support any Republican, let alone Trump is beyond me. I guess they hate themselves, which in turn leads to self harm such as overeating and obesity.
#4. The author could care less about his family and relatives until something bad happened. Not an ounce of prevention, but only regret.
#5. Sad to say, but the world would be a better place without people this the author. I doubt he learned anything other than he is more stupid than he realized.
Mr. Green, don’t let your narcissism overwhelm your guilt toward making your family members sick. Because after all, for every single person infected, there is a probability of transmission of 7X. So there are plenty of other people who you have never meet that are also sick, dying or dead and possibly spreading this further because of your actions.
The guilt you feel? Really? Seriously? More like “the accolades I hope to get by writing this self pity petty post”. I am sure lots of people will jump on the bandwagon and praise you for having see the light.
My family and I have been in self isolation since March because of people like you. Where was your sense of guilt or responsibility to all other citizen’s and neighbors before YOU got sick. There was ot, how “Christian” of you!
And we have was is to be the “Piece de resistance” as we say in French, the centerpiece of your narcissism and self righteous dangerous behavior as a human being: “…In great haste, I began prognosticating the alphabet soup about this “scamdemic. I believed the virus to be a hoax. I believed the mainstream media and the Democrats were using it to create panic, crash the economy and destroy Drumpf’s chances at re-election.”.
There was no alphabet soup, there was no scamdemic, there was no mainstream media telling you this was a hoax, there is not a single Democrat telling you to panic. There was only common sense rules that needed to be followed back in March. But you decided on purpose to ignore it all and follow your trusted President. The one man who could insult every single ethnicity and gender and still get your applause since day one. There was no great hast. You’ve been praising this man since 2015.
Any long term damage to your health? Be a shame if substandard insurance ensure you years of financial demise. Just like the majority of Americans that are going to come out of this with thousands of dollars in health care cost.
But you’ll continue to support conservative views I am sure. And screw everyone else, as long as it’s not you having to deal with that. If that changes, then I am sure you’ll then write another “Harsh Lesson learned”.
Sincerely
He’s Mepublican. All about ME.
I’m wondering if the author’s being so completely wrong in his positions regarding this pandemic has led him to consider how wrong he is in the other areas where he is so supportive of the administration.
Tony Green, will you still be voting for trump Nov. 3rd?
I am honestly sitting here after reading this wondering if I feel sorry for you at all. It is most definitely a shame that someone died because of your actions, but your actions were beyond selfish and what was supposed to happen as a consequence is exactly what did happen. What I kept thinking is that your problems started well before this party. How can I write this without coming across super political… Your “conservative” label feels very misguided and has likely lead you to seek “facts” that support your misguided thinking. I am not saying being conservative is wrong, but what is wrong is a distortion of reality and the inability to use critical thinking to arrive at the truth. A gay conservative who supported Trump in 2016 does not seem like someone who is looking reality in the face. Your actions will likely affect you for the rest of your life. Hopefully this is the start of the end of your denial and you can become honest with yourself and others.
I am writing from Connecticut. We listened to our Governor. We stayed home. When we go out, we wear masks. Our infection rate here in CT is the lowest, or close to the lowest, in the entire USA.
Trump has provided NO LEADERSHIP on this, whatsoever. And I say that as a former Chairman of the Republican Town Committee for my home town. We need leadership. We, as a nation, need to completely shut down until it passes.
Everyone here in CT just shakes their heads in disbelief while many of you enjoy your right not to wear a mask. Go for it! I have several fantastic friends who live in the DFW area. Good luck to you all.
I live in CT as well and very proud of the way our Governor handled this situation.
New Zealand freaks out when they report even ONE new case. Taiwan has had 472 cases and 7 deaths. How? Masks since 12/31. Quarantines monitored by cellphone. $3k fine for breaking quarantine. An extensive contact tracing effort and reporting system in-place since SARS-1. But not America. Too many idiots.
On the other hand.. those of us with 2 brain cells to rub together have been taking this serious since mid Jan… and been pissed off at people like this putting us at risk just going to the grocery.
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Knowing what you now know are your beliefs, specifically your support for Donald Trump and his horrible and hateful policies, different than they were before /
I’ve isolated for 139 days because I’m a rational person who listened to the facts. Viruses aren’t political. Science is not political. YOU made it political. And your family suffered for it. They didn’t deserve it, but you sure did. I’m sorry for the loss of family, but not for you. You, your ignorance and that of those like you has caused unimaginable suffering for families across the country. Only after having actually suffered *yourself* do you “believe”. Too little too late.
I have a hard time feeling sorry for him. I am not glad this happened, either. Believing ridiculous things like the Democrats we’re creating a hoax to hurt Trump? And every news source around the country except perhapsFaux and Breitbart were the only ones telling the truth? The thing is, this guy spread his ignorance around. He makes no mention of how his addled little head got filled with pure bullsh*t, nor any kind of plan of corrective action. Perhaps realize listening to Trump can kill? That. Trump lies endlessly? That Faux and Breitbart etc are full of propaganda?He literally pretended to be an expert about something he was UNQUALIFIED to to even have an opinion, which is sadly the case with many conservatives.
Well, here’s the kicker: from day 1, it’s been “foolish, selfish and completely stupid” to ignore what experts who have trained their entire careers for this say in favor of a politician.
It’s just too bad that – it seems, every single time – innocent people have to die before these dumb-asses learn.
The abysmal depths of scientific ignorance, and even basic critical thinking skills of even educated Americans makes my guts twist. So, for free, here’s another couple of things for COVID ignoramuses to learn:
1) It CANNOT be spread by cell towers
2) We DO NOT have the technology to trace people via microchips small enough to be injected into a vaccine and even if we did, they would be too small to have any power to transmit more than a few hairs-width of distance (and vaccines DO NOT cause autism)!!!!!!!!!!
You believed the most obvious mindless tribal conspiracies that ran against not just science and rationality but basic common sense because you are a cultist who eschews facts and reason for psychological tribalism. Have you now stopped to consider that the same backwards up-is-downism you subscribed to in denying the virus also applies to many other things that your cult leader and political tribe tell you to believe and which, to anyone who still cares to use their God-given powers of rationality and common sense, know beyond any doubt simply aren’t true?
Glad to see that you put an end to your GoFundMe account. People who laughingly scoff at social conventions and then suffer the consequences don’t deserve relief and the fact that you actually started a GoFundMe fund-raising campaign in the aftermath was not only disgusting, but completely shameful.
Why give these idiots a platform? They made their beds, let them lie.
Completely stupid “at this point”? Dude, it was stupid in March.
Wow, this guy basically killed off a couple of his family members. Man I’d hate to live with his guilt.
I don’t feel bad for you. You should face criminal charges if it were a thing, but fortunately for you it’s not. IMO you murdered some people because of your arrogance and ignorance.
Typical conservative, sadly. No sense of empathy whatsoever until it affects someone he knows. Then it becomes real.
notable that he also voted for Trump and now he’s suddenly begging for money to pay for healthcare. Nope… sorry… put it on a credit card, what do you think we are? Socialists?
While a lot of us are sacrificing for the good of all, there are a lot of idiots that still think this is a hoax!
Still to this day, the same idiots refuse to wear masks in public because they are trembling with fear about their “rights” while they signed every conceivable terms and conditions on the internet from Instagram to their cable company giving away their privacy, but are very much concerned about wearing a stupid mask for a month.
So do I feel sorry, partly yes! but other part of me feels resentful because of your level of selfishness and stupidity !
I’m glad you finally got it, it only took for you to cut short somebody else’s life!
Quote: “…If that were the worst of it, it would be bad enough. But that’s not the worst of it. This is the story of one family’s harrowing fight with COVID-19.
Full disclosure: I am a gay conservative, someone that often juggles persecution for my sexuality while being true to my values. Such a combination requires a lot of tenacity to earn respect from either group.
I’m glad the author has survived;
I can’t imagine why any gay person would support the current administration’s homophobic policy-behaviors, but as a ‘straight’ person, that’s NOT, for me to define…
I’ve NEVER, encountered more than 87 people, killed in any single incident, and that was a, (25.March.’90, Bronx, NY), arson-homicide…
I’m 25 years retired from a paramedic_preceptor career; I am NOT ‘over’ the P.T.S.D.-issue(s), incurred via my career choice.
Kelly Anne Conway has repeatedly advised an ‘Alternate_Facts’ policy in her role as ‘special adviser’ to Mr. Trump…
There is NO such thing as an ‘alternate fact’!!
There is reality, and there is fantasy. For, example…’gravity’, a hi-rise_rooftop, and a decision*, make for a decision tree: whether or not to ‘test’ the validity of the scientific theory of ‘gravity’; it IS a tried, ‘N, true method; …I strongly recommend, AGAINST such a test!!
Example-2: Some moths ago, a man in the U.S. midwest claimed to believe there was ‘scientific doubt’ about the globular shape of the earth; His home-built rocket malfunctioned, and he DIDN’T survive…there is also a movie, which parallels this ‘experiment’, w/ Billy_Bob Thornton playing the rocketeer-role / surviving the launch…
As of the 07.27.20…
148,298 Americans are dead from Covid.19; (Source: Axios.com C.19.Dashboard)
The year is 2020, NOT 1340-45! The casualty count from this Mass Casualty Incident DIDN’T need to be anywhere, so, high!!
Wear a mask!
Wash hands…frequently!
Maintain social distancing!!
*{Please pardon my rather graphic example!!}
Tony supported a man and party who hates who he is, and perhaps even worse – the community he’s a part of. That alone is unforgivable…
Then, rather than considering the potential impact of his actions on others, or researching COVID at a variety of sources to check the validity of the claims, he, an otherwise intelligent man, selfishly decided to go against experts and expose countless people to the prospect of an early death.
And now that it’s caused chaos in his personal world he’s pulled his head out of his a** and had a ‘come to Jesus’ moment.
Well, Tony – screw you. Screw you for voting against the health and rights of your community. Screw you for supporting a racist, misogynistic, religious extremist-loving, sexual predator POS and the party that props him up. Screw you for not, as an educated man, spending the 5 minutes of time required to establish the validity of these health claims.
But most importantly, screw you for not caring enough about the world outside your bubble, you selfish prick.
The hurt and guilt you feel could never be enough.
We so stupid. We elect Orange man to build wall not govern. We not believe science we now have alternative facts. Now USA, richest country in world is COVID-19 capital of world. Why we so stupid? Remember orange man say “only I alone can fix it.” Orange man full of shit. Orange man lie and American die by Covid-19.
If 45 had the complete opposite response to the coronavirus back in January And took the threat seriously and believed the scientists and put people over the profits of Wall Street, corporations and big business then we would be past this pandemic and we would be getting back to life as we know it And Trump would be a hero and on his way to actually winning an election.
I would say it’s too bad the Virus didn’t kill you off as well, however, having to live with your reckless, narcissistic actions from your arrogant self centered nature might change something. Although I highly doubt it will have any lasting effect. Too often people like you fall back to type and end up rationalizing your original behavior and then coming up with a justification for why people died that’s unrelated to yourself.
Has this article been sent to FOX NEWS – Hannity & Tucker Carlson?….. I doubt it
More Orange Clown Syndrome. Believe in the absurd and it will come true. You aught to be ashamed putting others in danger and then now coming out with “I learned a lesson”. Your political views put peoples lives in danger. Shame on you!!
Hey Dumbass! YEAH YOU!! Did you learn anything from this experience?
I am totally angered and horrified by this article and the store contained in it. It is once again the result of the Trump propaganda garbage. I’m not sure how you can be gay and be conservative, but that’s a conversation for another time! We all have brains. When we have all the top medical experts in the country providing good advice regarding the pandemic, how can anyone with a brain ignore the information they have been providing and have “covid” parties? As a licensed medical professional, this story sickens me! People have lost their lives and have been become very ill because Mr. Green wanted to make it a conservative versus liberal issue! He will forever have blood on his hands!
Like most supporters of the Gross Old Pedophiles (GOP), Tony is one of the sheep who is stupid enough to believe anything that the Criminal in Chief says. Idiot orange conned his way into the presidency and now U.S. citizens can blindly and sheepishly follow his lead. Go ahead and drink bleach. It will kill the coronavirus (after all, it’s a hoax!). If Dipshit Don went on Fox News and told Americans they could point a loaded gun at their own head, pull the trigger and nothing will happen, there would be another 100,000 deaths in a matter of hours. And morons like Hannity and Fucker Carlson will say “Yes, pull the trigger. Nothing will happen.” Both of them should try it themselves.
COVID is a hoax. God will protect you from it (or better yet, your gun will). Aliens landed in Roswell. Elvis is still alive. Televangelists aren’t conning you out of your money. And Dementia Don is not just the greatest president ever, but even God himself consults the Traitor in Chief before making any decisions.
Given the power that Dotard Don has, it makes you wonder how much he received in kickbacks from the Russians and the Taliban for every U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan.
In 1867, the U.S. purchased Alaska from Russia for $7.2 million. How much will Trump make when he sells the entire U.S. to Russia? Oh wait, he’s done that already. The U.S. is now a Russian satellite.
I would love to feel sorry for you, but my conscience won’t let me. After seeing friends and family become sick and die, staying in isolation and complying to mask mandates for five months and it’s selfish people like you who erase everything we’ve worked so hard for. It’s people like you who care only about yourself, who are keeping the economy from opening. It’s people like you who claim to be patriots, that in reality, are doing everything in your power to destroy this country by not caring for your fellow citizens. Your actions lead by example, and walk your loved ones to sickness and death. The science is real, and your ignorance chose not to listen to it. I am throughly embarrassed and disappointed in your lack of patriotism, because you don’t give a shit about this country or anyone in it.
Republicants.
A gay man who support(ed)(s) Donald Trump, who has taken so many actions that are counter to the halth & safety of LGBTQIA+ individuals.
A man who laments that family members had to be separated and could not comfort one another–all while staying silent & still supporting Donald Trump, even as countless innocent children were ripped from their families, causing irreversible harms that will follow those children & their helpless parents for many years to come,
I could go on & on, but I refuse to waste the time, Suffice to say, I find it hard to have compassion for this guy or his partner. I feel sorry for the family, but they, too, made their own poor decisions that contributed to their illnesses and the deaths.
As with so many “conservatives,” this guy thinks nothing of begging for handouts to cover the expenses brought about by his own poor actions and decisions, yet he would be the fist to support cutbacks to schools’ free lunch programs or WIC or any other program designed to feed innocent, helpless children. Instead of a GoFundMe page, why doesn’t this guy, personally, cover the expenses brought about by his actions? After all, don’t conservatives claim to be all for persona responsibility? I’m furious after reading the column, yet it’s underlying truths arenothing we all didn’t aready know: we are a nation full of self-absorbed, self-centered idiots, uneducated, misinnformed, and dragging this country and our democracy down to the point I’m concerned our nation may never fully recover.
No common sense. I wouldn’t pay this idiot a penny for his “consulting” advice.
You’ve made your bed. It’s a pity so many others die because of you and those like you.
No sympathy. You bought the lies and sold them.
I’m a 60 year old GWM who managed to survive the worst of the AIDS epidemic, and hope to survive this one. You all — trump supporting gay folk — are feckless idiots.
So, to paraphrase,
“To ignore or question the validity of scientists, and instead listen to idiots like Trump, is — at this stage — completely stupid.”
You should feel guilty, but where’s your apology?
Tots and pears. Sheesh.
Stupid is, Stupid does. I feel sorry for you and your relatives at your stupidity and ignorance. God will forgive you.
Tell me you are now smart enough not to vote for the Liar in chief, who essentially created this delusion amongst his supporters.
I have zero sympathy for trump voters who get sick. None. Trump is evil and anyone with half a brain could see that in 2016. All trump voters will have answer to God Almighty for the evil they unleashed.
Dearest writer, I feel for you, but implore you to consider what other conspiracy theory nonsense helped you determine your vote for Trump. All evidence points to the man being a chronic liar, and a person who likes to act like a dictator.
The sources the lead you to dismiss COVID likely have misled you in a variety of other ways that also, unfortunately, have significant consequences, and I urge you to now start paying real attention- learn from this not only about COVID, but about all the other ways you are screwing yourself over.
So if nobody in his family got sick it would be ok to run around like a moron and do nothing? Apparently the apple doesnt fall far from the tree if everyone in his family came over to his non distancing no mask party. I really have a hard time to believe in this day and age people can be that stupid. Seriously people like that deserve no medical help. None. Let nature or god take take care of them, without wasting resources that could be better used on pretty much anyobody else.
Why do I get the sinking feeling that you’re STILL going to vote for Trump in November?
You are exactly the problem with this country. “FAKE NEWS!!!!” Until it happens to me… “NOW THAT I’VE LEARNED A HARD LESSON ON EMPATHIZING ON THIS ONE SPECIFIC MATTER. EVERYBODY BETTER LISTEN ME!!!!! ME ME ME I’M IMPORTANT BECAUSE I SET MYSELF ON FIRE!”
Very good comment. It’s really how it is. People believe Trump until they are directly affected. It’s deranged and deplorable. Until I am dead or my income is destroyed but the direct and obvious actions of this President, then I will support him. What’s also curious to me is why? What has this president ever done in his life to help anyone that didn’t have the same last name as he? Nothing. Talk to the people who went to his university? Worked in his casinos? Were contractors on any of his projects? Look at the number of Trump-branded products he sells everyday that were made in China! He’s a two-faced, fork-tongued, self-important, narcissist, and that’s not going to change anytime soon.
Murder. That’s what this was, a murder. And, Dallas Voice chooses to provide space for a murderer to assuage his “guilt” as if he really has any, as bait for ad views. Texas is a sick environment.
Treating you was a waste precious medical resources.
No he absolutely didn’t fall on his sword! This is basically a:
“Sorry not sorry ’bout what I said
I’m just tryna have some fun
Don’t worry, don’t worry, don’t lose your head
I didn’t mean to hurt anyone
LOL, say oh well
Or go to hell
I’m sorry not sorry ’bout what I said
Don’t lose your head”
Moment for this guy.
and I’m supposed to feel. . . what?
Sorry for you? (I don’t)
Pity for you? (I don’t)
Happy that you’ve finally seen the light? (I don’t)
the literal blood of some of your relatives is on your hands, and tho the universe let you survive, I truly hope this haunts you until your dying breath.
150,000 dead Americans has stripped me of any ability I have to feel empathy for the Covid-Hoaxers & Mask-holes.
Kind of like the drunk driver who kills people and then whines in the courtroom about how sorry he is. I don’t want to hear it. You’re selfish and stupid. Instead of railing about voter fraud, let’s give some consideration to voter ignorance. I’m horrified at the idiots who have the ability to elect a sociopath.
He felt a lot of guilt and remorse. Then he turns around, in his great wisdom and says
“I just didn’t see that 5 feet apart makes a difference because of the distance germs can travel”.
“I’m still not 100 percent sure that it does.”
Throw an other party Einstein.
Mr. Green’s poor thinking, and his totally irrational committment to an idea and an individual (the psychopath in chief), are what caused that death and illness. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
And those people who continue to talk their easily0disprovable nonsense about China, the media, and so on, and who continue to defend the psychopath in chief, are contributing to the downfall of the country we love.
I remain puzzled by those who stay focused on who/where on the virus origins. The virus does not have a nationality or a political party. Anyone who can’t focus on the sensible fact that behavior has to change during a pandemic deserves the consequences. Unfortunately there is collateral damage for loved ones
Even if our founding fathers got creative enough to promise us we were entitled to “Pursuit of Happiness” not one of them thought that was worth 140,000 deaths. And we are not out yet. Grow up and wear a mask.
I agree with I you Paula, and it’s amazing to me that nobody is talking more about the fact that the COVID-19 virus was found in stored sewer water samples collected in Spain in March of 2019 — not in 2020! That means the virus was in Spain in March of 2019. It has since been found in France and Italy sewer water samples earlier than their first official victim’s deaths establishing the fact that the virus was there before previously known. The fact that the virus was first identified in Wuhan, China has always been a false conclusion that this is where it originated. It’s actually the epitome of xenophobia to assume that. It is much more likely that the virus has been around a long time, perhaps even a couple of years, and that it never reached a critical enough mass until it was identified in Wuhan. No one knows, and that’s the scariest truth, we still don’t know very much about this virus, and it takes years and years to know that much about any virus. [BTW, if you don’t believe me about the Spain thing, just google (Spain COVID Sewer) you’ll find tons of articles in many leading European newspapers about it. The ironic thing is that this has gotten no press in the US.
The people that died were obviously expendable and offered no value. This is the stance of the current administration. I say…whatever. Shame on you…you caused this, and don’t look to anyone for absolution. You are guilty AF.
It may be helpful to research other sources. Actually, Lee the funding you are referring to was never funded to the Wuhan lab. The $3.7 million U.S. grant It was funded to EcoHealth Alliance, the principal investigator and President being Dr. Peter Daszak. Dr. Daszak is a scientist whose work is helping in the search for a COVID-19 cure. He is a British-born American Ph.D. who has spent a career discovering pandemic level viruses in wildlife; particularly those that are carried by bats. And it is because of his work and others that in 2003 he warned that a pandemic was coming but not necessarily the result of the virus that we are experiencing today. It is for this reason and the patterns that such scientists as Dr. Daszak was seeing that eventually led to the formation of Obama’s Pandemic Response Team initiative that was dismantled by Trump’s administration.
The EcoHealth Alliance is a nonprofit research organization that focuses on understanding where pandemics come from and understanding their health risks while trying to get between the pandemic and the next one and developing ways to disrupt and stop it. In China, EcoHealth has worked 15 years with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Over that time, they have catalogued hundreds of bat viruses and with the work of WHO have tracked them globally.
The work that Peter Daszak and the U.S. based EcoHealth Alliance was considered so important that, last year, the grant was reauthorized and increased by the Trump administration. The approximate dollar amount of the work done with the Wuhan lab has been $100,000. This research was invaluable until Matt Gaetz on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” erroneously stated that NIH gave $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Trump had NIH terminate that funding without having a full and complete understanding of its importance.
The rest is history with today’s numbers standing at 4,280,135 cases of COVID-19 infections and 147,672 mothers, fathers, sons and daughters, adults and children, dead.
People are dying. We are dying. Forget the politics, the conspiracy theories and pointing fingers. Let put aside our differences and figure out ways to help us help each other to survive this pandemic.
At least you remained “true to my values”! Don’t let those coastal elite libs take away your God given right to infect and kill the rest of your family! Always believe your cult leader Trump, pay no attention to facts and science and reality!
Trump 2020! MAGA! USA USA!
Damn hunni, chill. As a fellow liberal hippie democrat, WE DO act elitist. We need to do a better job not screaming at people, and listening to why we offend them. Trump didn’t WIN in 2016, Hilary lost an EASY battle. The moment we stop taking all this shit personally, the better off we are. The conservatives and libertarians help us understand a real important thing about being human – agency and sovereignty.
Amanda, if you can’t do anything but condemn those who speak out against these conservative monsters (while labeling them using the same words that conservatives use as insults), then please show yourself out. Letting selfish, narrow-minded heartless conservatives off the hook and worrying about whether or not they are offended by the truth is not helpful and won’t change their views.
People have a right to be angry about what these people have ushered in. They have a right to be incensed by their arrogant, selfish and malicious behavior.
The conservatives and libertarians you defend care nothing for you. Your defense of them does not make you immune to the effects of their actions. Get your priorities straight.
Everything you need to know about Mr Green’s actual feelings of ‘guilt’ can be summed up in this quote;
“I just didn’t see that six feet apart makes a difference because of the distance germs can travel,” he said. “I’m still not 100 percent sure that it does.”
You aren’t a virologist Mr Green. And, true contrition means not tip-toeing through the truth for your own salvation where it conveniences you.
At the very least, you and your partner should be charged with manslaughter.
You smug selfish puling narcissist. You think you can absolve yourself for finally seeing the truth in what we, the liberals fighting for your ungrateful existence, have been warning you about since the first reports of the virus and it’s virulence. No, you and your fellow conservatives who, BTW, never conserve anything but their own self importance, are using your arrogance to destroy this country. Trump and his totally incompetent “advisors” refused to accept the gift left to them by the Obama administration. Refused to maintain a functioning government by forcing out career professionals in every department and denigrating the efforts of globally respected experts. Justice, State, Interior, Education and all others have been gutted by a man who couldn’t manage the valet station at one of his hotels. What did he show you in 2016 that made you believe for a nanosecond that he was up to the job? You’re a writer, where was your research? Look at your leaders. The rich and powerful got that way at the expense of others and you think you’re going to be important for following them. What have they ever done FOR anyone? They only take away protections that benefit everyone. There is no healthy economy without a healthy, informed populace. Trump has destroyed the protections of our people and lands put in place by Obama’s administration, not because he thinks they are poor policies but because of his jealousy and racism. And you did it. How can you, whose sexuality has brought you scorn and denial, support a party that denies dignity to others? It’s too late for your “poor me” apology. Hit the streets and work for people who actually believe we deserve Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Your lack of compassion and comments of shame is exactly why the “conservative” group, as you perceive them, exist to begin with. This type of anger is so off-putting, I probably want to run away from you too. Damn hunni, chill. As a fellow liberal hippie democrat, who thinks our form of extractive capitalism needs some upgrade….We need to do a better job not screaming at people, and listening to why we offend them. Trump didn’t WIN in 2016, Hilary lost an EASY battle. The moment we stop taking all this shit personally, the better off we are. The conservatives and libertarians help us understand a real important thing about being human – agency and sovereignty.
Amanda, you’ve got that backwards. Conservatives in the form of racists, bigots, misogynists have existed in the US long before they were shamed for it.
They’re so upset now because, “When you’re accustomed To privilege, equality can feel like oppression.”
Amanda, you might be naive enough to believe that a conservative might decide to become compassionate, empathetic and concerned for the welfare of anyone but himself if we all just let them off the hook, but not everyone is content to sit and worry about their hurt feelings while they support behaviors which cause suffering, oppression and death.
Perhaps if you took off your rose-colored hippie glasses and actually stood up to these conservative monsters instead of telling their opponents to not “this shit personally” (even though it affects each of us personally), there would be fewer of these MAGAts feeling bold enough to walk into public buildings without masks and fewer politicians willing to acquiesce to the fascist bigot in the white house. Maybe you should stop apologizing for people who support authoritarian racist conspiracy mongers whose policies are ACTIVELY CAUSING DEATHS while you condemn those who speak out against such monsters.
If you can’t do that, then, at least, kindly stfu.
To be fair, I’ve been able to stand up to some pretty awful right-wingers and get them supporting the “democratic” cause. #yang2020. Seriously – look it up. LOOK IT UP! Read his book. Got to meet a lot of white nationalists who were snapped out of their racist thinking when they realized immigrants WEREN’T the problem, they just needed a scapegoat. Met these right wingers at Yang’s conventions and be came friends. They’re so much nicer in person. It was awesome being able to get on the same page and get some wins in. It’s hard though. You don’t seem up to the challenge. I’ve even gotten some conservatives to put their fucking masks on when I had the conversation THEY wanted to have, not the one I wanted to. Because in my reality, people can change their minds.
So don’t tell ME what to do. The stuff I’m doing is working. But the stuff you’re saying adds fuel to the fire. Honestly – What have YOU done to help? Let me know, and I’ll do it too.
Some people need a reality check. Instead of getting SO pissy about when it FINALLY HAPPENS – start a conversation with a MAGAt yourself. Share Tony’s story. Give it a try. It’s what I’m doing. Shared this article a bunch of times. Not to liberals and democrats. They don’t need this news.
Look, I can’t speak for all conservatives. So, I won’t blanket label them. I certainly don’t want them putting me in the same box as you and whatsherfaceMargaret. I have many conservative friends who DO take the virus seriously. Republicans who are appalled at Trump. Remember, we can hold MANY positions. Stop assuming. But right wingers…YES – There’s some real nasty shit they like to share with themselves, and are just down-right, inappropriately mean, and really fucking dumb. While liberals can be also echo-chambery and tribal and refuse to listen to others, at least they’re not mean. I’ve always been able to differentiate that. Well, actually you and whatsherface-Margaret are pretty sneery. You should stop. It’s not a good look. <3
Everyone around you is dying and it’s your fault.
I’m so sorry for the level of collateral damage it took to convince you to change your perspective- both your own family and any wider audience you’ve previously persuaded to trivialize this risk. Like a virus, infecting people to spread misinformation to others, to cause even more death and permanent disabilities. I hope others will have more empathy for you than you have historically had for them. As an outcome, I hope you’ll re-examine further viewpoints you and your party have which are so damaging to others but have no visible consequence to you.
I hope you choke on your guilt. Others suffered because of your willful stupidity. And not only your family, you selfish idiot. You don’t deserve forgiveness.
While I feel a little bad (and I mean a little) for the author, he deserves everything bad that has happened to him. I work very hard not to catch coronavirus/COVID-19 because I know if I do, i’ll more than likely die. I have underlying conditions that would make it near impossible to breathe on my own. This is the problem with republicans/conservatives, especially in the world of trump. They throw ALL logic out the window and believe someone that, in my opinion, has the mentality of a wingnut. I feel bad for his FIL’s mother, beyond that, he got what he deserved. Only stupid people believe this is a hoax and they deserve to get it and die. I don’t!
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP. I applaud you.
So, you’re ok with the misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, narcissism, pathological lying, economy bungling, and all the other assorted ways the pResident is terrible, and believed COVID was a “hoax” – until it happened to you. I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. It’s always the same with conservatives: unless it happens to them, it might as well not be happening at all, despite science, fact, and actual pictures/video of whatever it is that’s happening. You’re exactly the sort of person they pander to, that they count on, and it could have killed you. Good thing you still have all those other things to ignore, eh?
Fucking IDIOT! #karma
Put your money where your mouth is, bro, and vote AGAINST Trump in November.
The moral to the story is WEAR A MASK when you go out and PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING when in a group. Let’s start there, the horse is already out of the barn. My goodness!
Hello Texas! Thank you for reading Tony Green’s very important confession. I do call it a confession because in reality that is what it is. Mr. Green has realized something that many Republicans need to realize and realize fast. The Democrats are not sitting around out there making stuff up to try to harm President Trump or his re-election chances. There’s little need to. He has, from practically his first moment in office, been doing everything he can to harm those chances. For the first time in history, a sitting president has become so lawless that he’s violating his duty to the Constitution on a nearly daily basis. The very idea that this President has just pardoned someone who was tried and convicted of crimes he committed presumably to save the President from embarrassing information — just read Trump’s own Tweets (you don’t say someone is not a rat unless they are someone who had information they could have ‘ratted’) — and no one on the right has an issue with that, speaks volumes. No way would have tolerated that from any previous president including George W. Bush. So, again the Democrats are not sitting around inventing things when they perceive there to be ample self-made reasons not to re-elect this person. Yet, still you cling to him, you cling to his lies, you cling to his blasphemy, you cling to his disregard for American lives, the economy, etc. Worst, you work to justify his words and actions like acolytes, not thinking, rational, human beings. This article is proof of that. What no one has ever gotten about masks is that they don’t protect you from getting the virus, they protect others from you spreading it to them. Since so many people are spreaders without symptoms, it’s just better for everyone to wear them until there’s minimal spreading. Most viruses like flu and COVID-19 don’t enter our bodies via our mouths and noses. These are actually very well-guarded against viral attack. However, our eyes are not. We have the lowest levels of defense against viruses in our eyes. But, if we keep the virus contained in the asymptomatic people with a mask, fewer droplets containing the virus will be around on surfaces for us to touch and then touch our eyes. This is the key fact that even the CDC missed out on the logic of from the beginning. They were always right that masks don’t protect people themselves from getting it because they all know that eyes are the central entry and aren’t covered by the mask, but they neglected to consider that masks trap the viruses being exhaled out from a sick or asymptomatic spreader. It’s interesting really because everyone knows that everyone but the patient wears a mask during surgery. Why? Are surgeons and nurses more worried about getting sick from the patient during surgery? No! That’s not why they wear masks at all. They don’t wear masks to keep themselves from getting sick — they wear masks to prevent things they might exhale from getting into the patient. History has apparently forgotten to teach these same doctors that the reason they spend 10 minutes washing their hands, fingers, forearms, wear gloves, and masks is not to protect themselves but because such practices caused our surgical teams to realize an astonishing improvement in survival of patients after surgery due to a very much lower rate of infection! So, wearing the masks help prevent the patient from infection during surgery just it does help the rest of us from catching the virus especially from asymptomatic spreaders.
In any case, my biggest hope is that everyone in the great state of Texas will start to realize that if it’s now proven that Democrats didn’t make up this virus to hurt Trump, maybe they didn’t make up the vast and growing library of other things he claims were fake and made up to hurt him. If he’s willing to lie about something this big that has already killed more Americans than died in WWI — we lost 116,516. Look up the stats and see that in previous years, lots of American, sometimes more than 30,000 died from the flu each year. America has lost more than 150,000 people to COVID-19. That’s a lot of people. And, it’s the worst death eater of any country even though we don’t have close to the largest nor most densely populated country. Globally there have been 658,813 deaths. This is not a scam invented by Democrats this is a world-wide problem that’s been made worse in America due to the direct inaction of the President. Ironically, this is the tip of the iceberg of the damage his presidency has caused to the world. For too long, Republicans have tried to spin everything he has done into some kind of defense against people trying to bring down his presidency. The very same man who for two terms of Obama tried to spin that Obama was not born in the US despite a birth certificate to the contrary to bring down Obama’s presidency now assumes from the first day of his that everyone is trying to bring his down. The reality is, however, that he’s the only one that’s been doing things and making decisions to bring down his presidency. Ruining the economy with his tariffs wasn’t enough for Republican who just gave the farmers subsidies to hide their guilt, but those subsidies were not paid for by Chinese money, they were paid for by higher prices due to tariffs on imports paid by Americans — and many Americans paid even more because they lost their businesses as they were no longer able to make profit of things they used to sell in their little gift and souvenir shops all across America. No one hears or cares about them anymore because then the got the final nail in the coffin fo what their little mom and pop business when no one traveled due to the virus spreading faster due to Trump’s policies and pronouncements and anti-science perspective — oh he’s a genius — to buy what little stock they had left on hand, and this is just one of the many zillions of things Trump has done either on purpose or by accident == causing oil to drop to a negative price per barrel for the first time in history???? You men and women who support Trump can continue to do so at your own peril. You can believe that a wall will make you safe. You can believe that so-called conservative justices will get you what you want (though I see Gorsuch and even the grossly unqualified Kavanaugh ruling toward the Constitution they vowed to uphold not to you or Trump — as it should be as the Chief Justice has said repeatedly, in effect, justice knows no party. But, eventually, you are going to have to pay the piper — maybe now with your own lives. Personally, I could be utilitarian and pragmatic and say, well, you are only killing yourselves off, so why should I care. Yet, when you vote against the climate accords, when you refuse to wear a mask because it takes away your freedom, when you rally around a leader who thinks separating children from their parents and locking them in cages is something God and Jesus would applaud, when you support someone who pardons his cronies, treats his ‘best people ever’ former Secretaries and Chiefs of Staff as punching bags for revealing the truth about him, when you continue to poll that you are going to use you hard-earned vote granted to you by this great republic to re-elect someone who is absolutely hell-bent on destroying this nation from within, you will have to live with your conscience for as long as you survive what’s left. Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union and the humiliating loss of both territory and resources, for reasons of pure pride, the Russians have been working actively more than they ever did before to bring down our country and watch us endure the ultimate humiliation of the failure of our nation. They want to read on the headline of their newspapers that the United States have crumbled. Their famous historian predicted the fall would happen during Obama’s terms and the US would split into factions that would then align subsequently with China, Mexico, Canada, and Europe. Divided we fall. This is what they want to happen. This is what they are working for. They knew that Donald Trump would do their bidding either because they actually do have something on him, or because they knew they could stroke his ego to get what they want. So, you can for the end of our country — which maybe you in Texas think would be better. Maybe you think an independent Texas would be better for you. Maybe you see no value to this country at all. Maybe you think you know best not only for yourselves but the rest of us and the rest of the world. Or, maybe, must maybe you and Tony Green can realize that actually, you are not. Maybe the Trump spin machine has always been lying to you and everyone else. Maybe you will use your vote to save America and save the world. The choice is yours to wear a mask and vote against Trump. If you cannot bring yourself to vote for Biden, I get it. Then just don’t vote for a presidential candidate on the ballot. Vote the other races, but not that one. There is no requirement that you vote a straight party ticket nor that you make a selection in that category. Please really think about it.
Steve Mathison, thanks for your lucid and rational commentary.
Tony’s in-laws were adults. No one made them attend a BBQ where they took no precautions in the middle of a pandemic.
When it comes to COVID-19 and the damage it is doing to the country, they are (or were) as much a part of the problem as Tony Green. And for all we know, they’re also Republican Trump supporters. Sad to say that plenty of Latin-X are Trump supporters in places like Texas. Can’t know that for sure from this post. But we do know for sure that they chose to attend a BBQ in the middle of a pandemic, a BBQ given by someone who thought COVID-19 was a hoax and who didn’t believe in taking precautions. So we know that the BBQ wasn’t planned with keeping people safe from this disease. Yet they attended it. Obviously they didn’t social distance; they didn’t wear masks.
Any adult who attended that BBQ bears their pwn share of blame. It’s not just Tony Green to be blamed here.
“You cannot imagine the guilt I feel, knowing that I hosted the gathering that led to so much suffering. ”
And in the end, it’s about you, not about the people you killed.
Typical Republican.
I am sure Mr Green will be welcomed by his in-laws at all future events.
Mr Green’s self serving pity party.
and what will the grandchildren say when grandmas not around?
Did you let the prisons and prisoners that you “counsel” know you were a spreader of disease.
I see you market your book , no sense wasting good advertising space. Kindle doesn’t charge for your book. I guess that makes your book valueless. Oh and of all kindle book sales you rank 260,000 th . And it is 100 pages long, quite the tome.
no doubt you will still vote republican
then you still have the nerve to lecture people
Just look at the endless blame games on this page, as if no one here’s ever acted selfishly to the detriment of others and later regretted it. Love of rancor is why we cannot bring the spread of Covid under control despite having among the world’s most extensive public health services, and the ghost we must tame if a change of president is to do us any good. I can’t evaluate Mr. Green’s claims. But avoiding the virus comes down to individual behavior now. Whatever the governors order there will never be enough police to enforce it absent voluntary compliance, and even if we do the right things, staying uninfected will involve a large element of luck.
You lost me at gay Republican.
I am everything you might hate – all vagina (hahaha), feminist, democrat, but fluid, libertarian but hippie, progressive….and I’m asking you NOT to blame yourself. I am SO sorry this happened to you. This is not a cross anyone should bear. Thank you for being brave enough to share this story, and to speak to your reality. A reality unfortunately shared by most. As someone who took this virus seriously from the beginning, I did because there is SO much unknown about it. Because of that, do not feel guilty. Nothing can prove that you were the one who got your family sick. It could’ve been in travel, gas stations, a grocery store visited DAYS before symptoms showed. Symptoms which seemed so sudden in your story. In a world where Covid-19 exists with mystery…where some get over it fast, and some DON’T, and there’s hardly rhyme or reason…There is always risk. Risk is not binary. I hope your story can help convince others of that. On behalf of all democrats, I’m really sorry they’re being so shitty to you, and in the beginning, so shitty at explaining themselves and what they ask of society. The closing of businesses, and asking people to wear masks (desperation turned to mandates)…All we ask is that everyone do what they feel is appropriate. And what’s a more brainwashed thought to have? Thinking a mask is a mask, or that a mask represents something else (freedom? muzzling? It’s just a mask!).
TO THE AWFUL DEMOCRATS “UNABLE TO FORGIVE OR HAVE COMPASSION”, Hi friends. I’m also a democrat. I’m quite progressive. Not a socialist, but I do support “socialist” policies, like…thinking that certain human-centric resources like health care and natural parks should be managed by a central organization that ISN’T commercial and driven by competition and free markets. It’s unfortunate that the only english word we have to describe these policies is “socialist”, and not ‘humanitarian’, or ‘human-centered capitalist’. Besides, socialism is ONLY scary combined with fascism, authoritarian, or even oligarchy, where power is in the hands fo the few ($$$).
ANYWAY, BACK TO YOU JERK DEMOCRATS – listen to yourselves. “Unable to have compassion”. Really? That’s a description of yourself you’re going to own? This man sharing his story is DOING YOU A GODDAMN FAVOR. SO THANK HIM. He is not writing to apologize to YOU, you egomaniac, HE IS WRITING TO DO WHAT YOU FAILED TO DO – ATTEMPT TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO HAVE BETTER SENSE-MAKING SKILLS. And btw – you fall into your own conspiracy theories. Do you think you’re smarter than right-wingers when it comes to memes? See this article for how democrats and progressives can get trolled. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russia-troll-2020-election-interference-twitter-916482/
THAT’S RIGHT. I’LL SHAME THE SHAMER. Btw, Trump didn’t win in 2016. Hilary LOST. Good going team, taking the bait playing into those identity politics…How smart are you now? It’s ok. I forgive you. Maybe next time you’ll stop screaming at people, and start listening. Because you absolutely missed out on Andrew Yang. He would’ve saved us all.
Keeping #yang2020 alive. Make America THINK Harder. MATH. <3
Tony – I am sending healing vibes your way. I hope you and your partner find peace in this world that we ALL share.
Amanda, So Tony’s doing us a favor, huh? Sure sounds like he’s still voting for Trump and every Republican out there. I didn’t hear any indication that he’s changed his politics. Just that after getting sick with a disease, he’s changed his mind about the disease’s existence. Not a big change. I’m sure if I walked under a hanging piano because I refused to believe it was there and that piano landed on my head, I would admit the piano existed.
Favors like Tony’s I can do without. Favors like Tony’s are going to keep this virus going indefinitely because he’ll support politicians who will cause about one-fourth to one-third of this country to refuse the vaccine.. Though, if the vaccine is effective enough it will keep the illness and the deaths mostly among those who refuse the vaccine. And I can live with that.
Hi Margaret, Thanks for replying. Honestly – you make some real large assumptions about what Tony is voting for. This has nothing to do with Trump, and I hope someone like Tony and his friends will NOT EVEN THINK about voting for Trump again, especially after such a revealing Fox Interview that showed how idiotic Trump is…
But the real hope here is that, despite tragedy, someone has been snapped out of their infinite-loop thinking and is realizing it. We don’t need to argue about what someone deserves. We need to agree on the fact that the message is getting through at all, and we can transmute this, and get people out of their stuck way of thinking (from both sides). Don’t be so sneery. It’s not a good look.
Amanda, Your posts just amaze me. “This has nothing to do with Trump.” Where do you think the Covid-19 denial in this country originated from?
You claim you’re a liberal. But that we shouldn’t be criticizing Tony or people on the right because it doesn’t work. However, what do you think you’re doing? Your posts are extremely critical. So…in your mind, being mean and nasty to the right isn’t justified and doesn’t do any good. But being mean and nasty to the left is justified and does do good. Interesting thought process there.
As for your claim that Tony has “snapped out of their infinite-loop thinking”…that’s a really large assumption. After contracting a disease, Tony now admit it’s real. There’s nothing in his post to indicate that anything else about his thinking…or voting…has changed.
Holy moly! You are a rare breed indeed! Thank you for sharing your story. It hurts deeply to see so much harm come to our nation from a political party and affiliation because of it’s influence. As someone trying to survive, I hope your story helps save some lives.
Here are the facts:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/29/politics/fact-check-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-dishonesty/index.html
hello, I’m here for the stupid motherfucker convention. WEAR A MASK YOU ASSHOLES.
Thank you!
I am so sorry that you had to go through this in order to get the full truth of just how TRUE & SERIOUS this is. I am saddened that your entire family is suffering. And as a Democrat, it would be so much easier to sit here and ridicule and criticize. But you see, there are some of us who are educated, kind, honest and loving Christian Souls who know you are hurting and need to be comforted.
And thank You for Your Honesty and Speaking Out about your experiences in coming to fully understand the depth of what is going on when it comes to Covid-19. And I hope that the rest of the family heals and gets better. And I hope that God protects You & Yours from further pain & suffering and Ignorant replies from those who may not find it in their hearts to see past your politics. Please take care of yourself, your family & those you love. And may this horrible experience bring forth a New Light that shines New possibilities, A New way of thinking and a New way of Living.
God Bless You All,
Love
Mark Alan Smith
Less than 1 day incubation period? The average incubation time is 5 days with 2 to 14 being the typical range. 12 hours is unheard of.
“On average, symptoms showed up in the newly infected person about 5 days after contact. Rarely, symptoms appeared as soon as 2 days after exposure. Most people with symptoms had them by day 12. And most of the other ill people were sick by day 14. In rare cases, symptoms can show up after 14 days.”
I’m not COVID denier or a conservative (quite the opposite), but something is amiss here. Just saying.
Mike: I may be wrong about this, but I believe what Tony Green was saying was that he was already sick, although asymptomatic, when he held the family gathering, and that he likely passed the virus on. That would explain the apparent timing discrepancy.
Flaming hypocrite.
Is this a new thing among the fudgpackapaloi?
Prove your epic honesty by confessing to murdering half your family by believing in lies fed to you by a child ape with an IQ of 24?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Uh Guys, as a Physician (Internal medicine specialist) in Gwinnett, GA, one of the hardest hit counties in the state and also as a recovering SarsCov-2 patient, I cannot stress this enough:
– The virus is real and EXTREMELY contagious
– There are around 6 known variants, all of which are deadly
– Wear a mask when out in public. Masks will not prevent droplets from completely emanating from your mouth/nose but will greatly limit their range of infection. The chance of transmitting decreases exponentially if all parties are wearing a mask.
– EVERYONE can get infected. The more testing we do, the more we learn this is not just infecting old people or people with weakened immune systems.
– It can kill just about ANYONE. The death toll now includes age ranges from 89 to 4 years old.
– The scientific community stands to gain absolutely NOTHING from telling you to social distance and wear a mask. Nothing at all. except limiting the spread of the pathogen.
– There is no “herd immunity” and YOU CAN GET REINFECTED even if you show antibodies. Viruses are the most abundant pathogen and are EVERYWHERE. If you are alive you have been infected before.
– If you believe you are infected and have HBP, stay away from any corticosteroids. You risk speeding up the process of white blood cell activity and you can literally drown in your infection should your lungs fill up with fluid.
– Antibiotics DO NOT WORK against viruses – they kill bacteria. Stop listening to people pushing them on the internet.
I have never, in my life felt the way I did during my infection. My skin felt like I was going to bust into flames at any minute. Tumor necrosis factor took over as my body fought off the disease and my mouth was bitter for about a week. I could not take deep breaths and it felt like someone was sitting on my chest. Every few minutes I would gasp for air. I would doze off to sleep and awake with serious chills and fever seconds later.
PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE stay safe and try as hard as possibly to protect yourself and those around you. You could end up infecting (and killing) a good friend or loved one
It doesn’t matter where the virus originated from as this is not the first and will definitely not be the last time we see something of this nature. What matters now is control. Pointing fingers and denial will help no one – especially when seeing people literally drop dead in the ER and cases exploding due to state re-openings.
At this point, anyone still calling this a hoax/not wearing a mask/not social distancing is playing Russian Roulette.
Thank you very much for your informed and reasonable comment.
This story and this thread is really depressing. Is there no truth anymore? Are americans unable to talk to each other about politics? My experience is that politics is something that you dont discuss between friends. It’s too difficult and might end up unpleasant. Like religion. 2.300 years after the greec philosof Democrit proved “there is no plan, there is no god, there is no overall meaning, we still struggle with the same problems we had before him. This might be the end of the american and western era as we know it. No truth = no future. No hope. We are all lost.
Nothing “happened” to your family. You killed them by diving down a conspiracy theory hole instead of studying history. You voted for a man who was known to be incompetent because being a Republican was more important to you than…your own humanity.
Never stop apologizing to your family. Never.
I want to thank Lee for the response that he is probably an expert in the field and setting the record straight for the misguided information of Tammy. When in fact he is the misguided one spewing misinformation on this site which just allows the conservatives reading this column smile with gloating glory that it is what they thought all along!! Shame on you and everyone who agrees with you. It seems people on here are so happy not to politicize the virus when it is EXACTLY what you are doing!!! Shame Shame!! It seems to me Tony Green who felt this was a virus concocted by China and a liberal hoax wants all of his political and agreeable conservative cronies to believe him when he says it’s real and it will be too late when you are sick or dead!! Why can’t you get that from this article!!! It’s REAL!!! Please please be vigilant to social distance, wear a mask, do not gather in groups! He is giving you the biggest warning FROM THE HEART!! And you just don’t get it!!!
VOTE in November. Use your voice to remove this ignorant clown from office
I am so sorry for all of the loss and suffering. I’m also sorry that your words won’t impact the far right because of your LGBT status. I hope you find your true allies are, they are, not with the conservative right.
Blessings
It’s self-righteous assholes like you with your conservative “values” and you’re know-it-all attitudes that ARE the downfall of this country and continue to spread this virus. You are imbeciles who think that you know better than scientists and university professors – experts in their fields. You got what you deserved by being the selfish asshole that you are and not being considerate of how you affect (and infect) others, and claiming ignorance is no excuse. YOU killed your father in law’s mother. And you will have to live with that for the rest of your life. Your article will do nothing to influence other idiots like yourself, just as others’ stories had no influence on you. For all the closed-minded selfish asshole idiots like you…keep doing what your doing and stay on your current paths. Once you catch Covid and die we will be able to rid ourselves of selfish, judgemental, self-righteous, backwards idiots like yourselves – the bane of our society – from slowing down the advancement of humanity.
I’ll say this, the consensus seems to be that I am a murderer. Don’t you think that’s a little harsh? I say it’s bigoted to have such an opinion of me when page 59 shows groups of people celebrating Pride when not one person is wearing a mask or doing a very good job of social distancing.
I would like to add that Governor Abbott had announced early that week that beginning June 12th restaurants and bars could increase their capacity from 50-75 percent. Furthermore the governor said that small group gatherings should be okay. That is the weekend my partner and I hosted both our parents. Six people who are family. Answer me this, since March, how many can honestly say they’ve not hugged their mother once? My family did not share my misguided beliefs about the virus. They are innocent. We did nothing to knowingly and intentionally engage in risky behavior. All six of us were all feeling healthy and experienced zero symptoms leading up to that Saturday.
What this comes down to is a bunch of heartless piranha cannibals that see the word Trump and lose control of their thoughts and mouths. Seeing that I am a conservative (not a Republican) and the name Trump precluded the vast majority from having the slightest empathy for another human being—or his family. Shame on you all for such a void in your lives to be so vicious. Many of you are hypocrites for burning me at the stake when you know damn well you’ve engaged in similar activities. I fell on my sword. It would seem I’m the only one here willing to do so. So much for tolerance and diversity.
And another thing; the GoFundMe page was created for my father-in-law. Him and him alone. He is the kindest most gentlest and most generous man I’ve ever known. None of you are deserving of the honor to even converse with him for your disgusting mouths and deranged opinions. Not once has that man ever had his hand out or accepted a handout. He’s always been the one filling the hands of the needy. I believed as I still do, he is worthy of others expressing their love, their prayers and whatever support compelled the readers.
Tony, I am sorry for what you’ve had to go through, and I am grateful you’re willing to be honest and vulnerable in order to reach other people. You are correct, Abbott had moved into the next phase, and so many people had let their guard down. I remember telling my parents I will let my guard down in July (because I had read that if we were going to see jumps in numbers, that when we would see the evidence of it). I was stunned that ended up being correct & my heart breaks for people who have to learn the hard way about this virus. I am reading Braving the Wilderness by Brene Brown, and you represent what she’s referring to throughout the book and what our society lacks. You’re willingness to say I was wrong so others may learn, and your constant willingness to scale the tension between your personal life and political views – thank you for your leadership & authenticity.
I want to say Tony, I did feel for you when I read the article (and I still do) and so I posted my comment as it seemed many comments were just ignoring the dangers of COVID-19 and concentrating on the politics! But the post you have above rather dismays me, because you are here making it POLITICAL!! Yes, it seems you were misguided in following the advice of conservative cohorts. Even the governor who opened the state quickly! Too quickly! But you should have taken the step back, this is an illness not a presidential race for heaven’s sake, and viewed the facts from experts in the field! If you did, you would have known that people who are asymptomatic may still infect others and that a negative test result today doesn’t mean that you might have a positive result if you took the test the next day!! At least you should have had some consideration for parents who might be in a higher risk category. Each of us has to make our own decisions based on the information at hand, we should consider ALL information at hand. I hope this experience at least will open you mind and heart to ALL that is available to consider in this world!!
And there you have it: From mindless conspiracies about the virus to playing the victim and dismissing every criticism because…Trump. A true tribal, amygdala-brained Republican through and through.
The gaping hole in Tony Green’s mea culpa is the omission of who he will vote for this November. I bet that at long last, after barely dodging the reaper, he will again voluntarily drink the poison GOP koolaid. There’s no dumb like TX dumb.
It’s a really hard thing to 1) admit you were wrong, and 2) to take a markedly different stance from the political party with which one affiliates. Thank you for sharing.
I’m sorry for your loss, and nobody should have to go through any of this. But it disturbs me so deeply that this is what it took to get you to believe the virus was real.
I’m a retail worker, I took things seriously the minute the virus started popping up in the states, and to be frank, I’ve been having daily anxiety attacks. Every single day I think about about how I might die alone in a hospital because I have no other choice but to keep doing my job, and because the anti-mask Trump crowd is so casually awful. Here in my state, we have a mask mandate. If we try to enforce in the store people scream at us, call us names, even threaten violence. Someone coughed on one of my co-workers on purpose. We’ve had people come in pretty much just to try to start a fight about masks. They terrorize us because they believe the same garbage you did, and they probably aren’t going to change their minds until they have their own personal brush with tragedy.
I feel sorry for you, but I’m also extremely angry at you. Donald Trump was very obviously never fit for ANY public office, and you voted for him, and now here we are, with over 150k deaths, on the precipice of a nationwide homelessness crisis, watching teachers write their wills because they’re going to be forced to go back to work in the fall. You and a startling number of other people were taken in by a selfish, bigoted grifter, and now we’re all suffering for it. I hope you realize this wasn’t the only thing you were wrong about.
The sad part is that the author of this tragic harsh lesson will likely be voting for Trump AGAIN this Election Day. Trump could be re-elected yet I hope now.
The ignorance, arrogance, gullibility, and boundless vanity of guys like Lee is the virus that got Trump elected (spoiler alert: Trump is not a good businessman and never was. He’s an idiot.) and will spell the end of our democracy. Who needs facts and evidence, when you can do research on the Internet and unearth the true scandal of “Pizzagate,” Obama’s real birthplace, and the “fact” that vaccinations cause autism? I am so sick of seeing my fellow American be the willing dupes and disseminators of laughably outrageous lies. So here are the facts: the virus was discovered in China and the Chinese government screwed up and tried to cover their butts rather than communicating. Trump learned about covid-19 in December, had no pandemic response ready to act because Bolton had fired them, and did absolutely zero because he was more worried about the economy and his political fate than human lives. The rest has been a revolting combination of misinformation, outright lies, and a bully-pulpit example of never wearing a mask, thus empowering hordes of idiots to do likewise., Thanks God for Fauci, who has done his best, despite the undermining efforts of the Trump administration. Meanwhile healthcare workers have been absolutely heroic, as have essential workers. Maybe we ought to consider putting together a decent healthcare system? Maybe essential workers should be making Costco-level wages rather than starving on Walmart salaries. Just a thought.. One last thing: Mr. Green, thank you for your mea culpa. It may well save lives. I also ask that, in the future, you be more judicious about the people and media sources you trust. They almost killed you.
I’m so sorry this happened to your family, and I’m sorry the disinformation you received led you to this situation. Nobody deserves this terrible disease, and anybody who’s been through what you’ve been through has suffered enough.
I’m glad you’ve come forward with what you’ve learned from this. Just how much you’ve learned will be determined by your next steps… Will you take * full * stock of yourself and consider how much else of what you’ve believed up until now might be based in disinformation? Will you admit that liberals, while you may disagree with them on some things, are not evil and are just human beings like yourself who want what’s best for our country? Will you step into a larger world of greater maturity in which you weigh * all * sides of a question * fairly * each and every time ?
If you can do all that, and help others to do the same, all this suffering won’t have been in vain.
I wonder if those replying are those young people who at first didn’t think in the spread of the Virus and din’t wear face masks and didn’t care.
Typical conservative, they don’t care until it affects them personally. He thought it was a hoax because trump said it was and because he thinks democrats want to destroy this country? So WTF did he think we were witnessing in NY when they were running out of space is the morgue and putting people in truck freezers? Performance art? They don’t think it’s a hoax, it’s more sinister than that. He thought and they think it doesn’t affect WHITE PEOPLE. If it’s killing mostly black and brown people who cares, let’s open up the economy. Now he pens this op-Ed to make himself feel better for killing his family with his racism. Something white people have unknowingly been doing when they vote for politicians based on their hate.
I’m married to a Latino. Shows there to be lessons learned for the both of us—and our family has made international news, so where have you been? For the last 5yrs, I have devoted my time and well over $100K consulting, befriending and helping people who are about 54% Black & 25% Latino find better housing, careers, and transforming lives. So much for that theory on racism huh?
Shame on you for hiding behind your husband’s ethnicity to win an internet fight.
So much for those “values” you claim to have.
This article lost me at this quote: I believed the mainstream media and the Democrats were using it to create panic, crash the economy and destroy Trump’s chances at re-election.
Anyone who believes this is a complete moron. A pandemic is a world wide event and people think it was created to get Trump out of office…and Americans wonder why the world laughs at them.
I feel not one iota of sympathy for the author, I just want to know what “values” he was upholding that led to him having the blood of his family members on his hands.
The author has spread disinformation that has led others to make the same poor decisions he has and suffer the same consequences as he has.
I hope he is haunted to his dying day by the fact that he’s effectively killed members of his own family in service of his political ideology.
So let me make sure I have this correct…….you decided that this virus was fake due to Democrats wanting to make the president look bad? You thought multiple doctors who went to medical school for 4 years, then completed residencies for multiple more years made up a virus to make trump look bad. You thought multiple people came together to tank the economy to make trump look bad? You thought the whole world came together to make up a virus, fake deaths, go in lock down in multiple countries…….to make trump look bad??
I don’t know who’s the bigger idiot, you or trump.
Trump doesn’t need anyone to make him look bad because he does that on his own through his actions and because of his dumb ass supporters like you who blindly believe what he says because you’re too much of a sheep to look up facts and think for yourself.
I don’t know what the point of this essay was to be honest. I assume it was to garner sympathy but I don’t feel sympathy for fucks like you who ignore the safety of other people at the behest of a president who has proven time and time again that he only cares about his rich, white friends. You and your whole dumb ass family got what was coming to them and maybe next time you’ll think twice about ignoring social distancing and not wearing masks.
Like my name says, you’re a fucking idiot.
First of all you’re a gay conservative. That alone qualifies you as a grade-A dumbass and that’s coming from another gay guy. “Being true to my values.” What “values” are those? Vilifying minorities? Cronyism? Sexual predation? Spreading wild, damaging conspiracy theories? Supporting a president who is running the country into the ground and embarrassing America on a global stage? There’s so much I could say to you but I’m tapped out. I have no sympathy for you. “We are all at the precipice of a common heartache.” We wouldn’t be if it weren’t for people like you. Fuck off and die trash
Lee, you are peddling a combination of truth and lies to support a ludicrous conspiracy theory. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-admin-wuhan-lab-grant/
Blah, blah, blah… no sympathy for ANYONE who didn’t take this pandemic seriously from the beginning. If you believe in god, believe he is now thinning out the herd to MAGA.
Here was my response on the news site: Glad that he’s called himself out…. Glad that he’s come forward and did not try to paint himself in a favorable light… Glad for his honest and brutal portrayal of his, and his family’s, sad experience. He didn’t have to write this…but… He’s a journalist who is trained in fact checking and who knows, more than most, about how to obtain resources. He is also trained in putting personal bias aside in the search for facts. That he would publish, as a journalist, the facts that this was a hoax, or even believe it, tells me he’s not the best journalist. This is a sad story and he was brave to write this, but I’m flabbergasted at his inability to learn the truth, prior to personal experience. I think of all of the people who may have read his prior articles and maybe not see this one. It’s like dropping a bag of feathers from a skyscraper. He’ll never know the extent of the damage he’s done. After all… Corona19 doesnt care.
Where did you get the idea that the writer of this piece is a journalist? He wrote this piece as a “guest columnist.”
Life is about realizing mistakes, changing what is due and moving on. You must have received a lot of criticism but writing it was a path to the right thing. there is no perfect person and a person who learns is more valuable
from day to day. A lot of encouragement FOR YOU I read the news from Colombia.