The Globe says Jessica Osmond has been living with her girlfriend in L.A. for three years.
Remember in December, when Donnie said “some of my best friends are gay. You ask how I react regarding their marriages. Well, I do support our Church leaders who say that we can accept those with gay tendencies in our church as long as they do not act upon their temptations.â€
Poor Jessica — stuck with a creepy uncle like Donnie Osmond.
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Yo Gays! Marie Osmond’s Daughter’s Mom is a Mormon! Wow!
Big deal. There are lots of gay Mormons. This isn’t anything to get excited about.
The LDS Church is ok with people defining themselves as Gay. The LDS Church is not ok with sexual relations outside of marriage. That is where we have a problem. The LDS Church has the same requirement for all unmarried people, gays included. Find me another major religion that has a policy more loving than that.
Roymondo:
Here’s the problem, my friend. Those unmarried heterosexual Mormons have the option to get legally married and thus make their sexual relationship okay in the eyes of the church. Those unmarried gay Mormons don’t have that choice in most states — including California, thanks in large part to the efforts (and lies) of the LDS Church and other Prop 8 supporters.
You are talking in circles to try and paint the LDS church as “loving” and “accepting” toward gays but that doesn’t change the fact that the church and its leaders are anti-gay.
As far a church policy “more loving than that,” check out the United Church of Christ and the Unitarian Universalist churches. Not only do that accept gay people, they support same-sex marriage. So there you go.
Someone needs a fact checker. This is old news. Marie loves her children no matter what they choose for their lives unless it’s something that would be harmful to them. I saw Jessica recently with her at a book-signing & she was also at one of the shows at the Flamingo. My applogies and sympathy go out to Marie & Jessica as I’m sure it’s embarrassing to read such rubbish like this. Who reads the Globe anyway? It’s a pretty good fire-starter though.
Hey Mormon promoter Roymondo! Try the very loving, peaceful, anti-war Quakers. They’re not even trying to and they show you Mormons up every time they stand up for equality for all while you Mormons collect millions of dollars to enshrine anti-gay bigotry into institutional discrimination. And the Quakers are not passive about standing up for our equality. They do so frequently. Compared to the Quakers, you Mormons are quite the christohet supremacists in every way, therefore quite disgusting. Excusing them is equally disgusting.
No offense but this is old news. Jess outed her self on Myspace in 2005. And when she was asked about her Mom and her acceptance, she got defensive and said that she loved her Mom and that her Mom was a good woman. That’s a Lesbian for you. always taking up foranother female even if it means taking up for one who’s abusive. Don’t worry Jes, your Mom has been abusive to some Fans in Vegas too, by thinking that she’s all that. But unlike you we don’t take too kindly to it.
Globe Magazine, always a reliable source. The only thing I have ever heard Marie say about her children is that she loves them and is proud of them. Donny (with a y by the way) to my knowledge did not issue any statement in December 2008 regarding gay marriage. The information Daniel wrote is taken out of context and was a response to a fan’s question on his website. It was written 5 years ago, who knows how he feels now. At any rate he never has said anything negative about his niece.
Yawn… so what? Some Mormons are gay. This is news? The only people that would be impressed by this article are idiots who know nothing about Mormons. Get a life.
Tammy: Those unmarried gay Mormons (or Catholics, or Baptists, or Atheists) can also get married and have a guilt-free sexual relationship. They just can’t marry someone of the same sex. It’s against the law (in most places), and against God’s law (until He says otherwise). As for gay Mormons, they can go to church, they can volunteer in the Church, they can serve in leadership positions. As long as they don’t have sex outside of marriage. Gays who are not Mormon can attend services, would be invited to and welcomed at activities, and would be loved and accepted.
Gee, thanks Max! You just made my argument for me: “Come, be part of our church. We will love you and accept you and let you play our reindeer games — but only as long as you be who we want you to be and not who you really are.”
Oh, and Max, that whole “guilt-free” sexual relationship thing, that’s the whole point of marrying someone isn’t it? Because you love them and want to have a full and fulfilled relationship with them, in all aspects? Why on earth would a gay person want to marry and have a sexual relationship with someone to whom they were not sexually attracted, i.e., someone of the opposite gender?! Being gay means being naturally attracted in a sexual manner to someone of your same gender.
Once again, you folks are talking in circles trying to justify something that IS NOT justifiable. Why do you feel such a need to try and convince us that the LDS church is gay friendly? If our lives and the way we lead them are “against God’s law,” why don’t you just admit that you are homophobes and be proud of it?!
Your welcome, Tammye. But I think you misunderstood me. Those who are gay are welcome in *any* Mormon church. They will be greeted with smiles, handshakes, welcomes, and invitations to come back. This is hardly homophobic behavior. If you have been treated differently in any Mormon church, I am truly sorry. Granted I do disagree with homosexual lifestyle, disagreeing with someone’s gay lifestyle is *not* the same as being *afraid* of gay people (I’m sure there’s a logical fallacy committed in that argument somewhere). Maybe heterosexualist, but certainly not homophobic.
As for “that whole guilt-free sexual relationship thing”, that is *not* the whole point of marrying someone: for (guilt-free) sex? I wouldn’t say that’s even half of it. Marriage provides a stable environment to create families and raise children. Heterosexual marriage provides the unique combination of role models for children of both sexes. Homosexual marriage does not provide this same essential combination for raising boys and girls. I realize you likely disagree with me on this. But I won’t kick you or Jessica Osmond out of the Chapel on Sunday for it. On the contrary, I’d be happy to see you at church, shake your hand, and invite you to come back.
Dannie you really need to get your facts straight. You can’t even spell Uncle Donny right. I’m not sure if you’re attacking Donny for having standards and beliefs which he actually lives by, or if you just object to him having standards and beliefs different from yours.
Next time anyone takes a position on an issue I suppose we should all come to you for advice! (whoever you are – some joe shmo with a blog – how unique and unusual)
This is absolutely silly. Marie and Jessica seem to get along well, judging from tv interviews and from Jessica spending time with her at events. Marie writes some funny mother-daughter stories about Jessica in her new book (she calls her “my practical child” in the book, always trying to help her Mom get organized ;-). I don’t know why people want to focus on Jessica like this – it’s not fair. She’s not a celebrity and has never looked for attention. But, the other comments are correct – it is old news. Jessica has always identified herself openly. Marie obviously still accepts and loves her. I hope Marie sues the Globe and Perez Hilton.
This is old news. Must be a slow news day.
Perez Hilton is a flaming idiot. I have good friends that are gay, but i do not condone the practice. I don’t hate them.
For those of you who think ones sexual orientation is genetic, Marie’s daughter, Jessica, was adopted when she was an infant. Marie loves all of her children and has always said so. Also, to point it out AGAIN, this is OLD “NEWS”.
It all comes down to hate the sin and love the sinner. We all have people in our lives whose BEHAVIORS we don’t condone or care for, yet we love them anyway. From what I understand, the Mormons are the same way. Anyone is welcome in their church, but certain behaviors are considered sin, or inappropriate.
WOW, The unemployment rate is through the roof, we have wars going on, children being kidnapped and turned into soldiers in Africa, A Pacific Ocean filled with our trash in two areas each one the size of Texas, the highest high school drop out rate in years, unemployment rate going through the roof, people losing jobs by the tens of thousands a month, and what do we want to talk about? Marie Osmond’s lesbian daughter and their pushy freaky organized religion that is no extreme than most other organized religions in some shape or form.
Max I agree where you said: “Granted I do disagree with homosexual lifestyle, disagreeing with someone’s gay lifestyle is *not* the same as being *afraid* of gay people (I’m sure there’s a logical fallacy committed in that argument somewhere). Maybe heterosexualist, but certainly not homophobic.”
It is not homophobic in the clinical pathology sense, it is homophobic in the common use of the word sense. I prefer to be much more plain, and apparently you agree. Please feel free to describe yourself and the Mormon Church as plainly anti-gay. Common usage of “homophobia” should always be “anti-gay” instead, IMO.
Please, proudly anti-gay Mormons, at least grant us beneath your boot the courtesy of acknowledging that we have LIVES rather than LIFESTYLES, as in “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous,” etc. You and yours are living your lives, and we are living ours. You are anti-gay but that does not NECESSARILY prevent you from acknowledging that the people you encounter every day who are privately gay are living their lives as they see proper and fit; they are not living the intentionally diminishing “lifestyles”.
If you’ve never heard that before, now you have and have no excuse except to intentionally insult those on the other end of your anti-gay behaviors and beliefs.
You are in the Dallas Voice, not the Mormon Times. Stuff your despicable counterfeit religion where the sun don’t shine up in Utah.
Big deal….. Is it really necessary to attack the children of “celebrities” for their parents belief? Obviously, they don’t agree with them. Should they go on national TV, announce they are gay and do not agree with their parents? Leave them alone and let them live a happy life as possible.
Settle down, Allan. The title of this post (“Yo, Mormons…) is plainly directed towards Mormons, so naturally I felt invited to read. Clearly, this post was an *attempted* slap-in-the-face for so-called “homophobic” Mormons. However, after reading some of the mean-spirited, ignorant, and hate-filled comments (including now 2 of yours, by the way), I was compelled to respond. Apparently, you would do (read: have done) exactly the same if you felt your views were misrepresented (either deliberately or otherwise). Authors and readers could use a fact-checker for more than the timeline of Jessica Osmond’s coming out.
On another note, the supposed working definition of “homophobic” leaves it a ridiculous and ambiguous word, by the way, which colors with the same brush (1) those who vocally disagree with gay life (there, does that read better than “gay lifestyle”?) (2) those who suffer panic attacks around people who are gay, and (3) the evil thugs who tortured and killed Matthew Sheppard. However, I appreciate your pointing out subtleties of the language that surrounds this discussion, or at least that surrounds you feeling about it. This is the kind of conversation that would never happen at Mormon Times.
Oh the vices people get themselves into!! Once in the jaws (no pun intended) a person becomes more and more enslaved to those carnal appetites.
Yes it is true that humans may have a genetic predisposition to a particular vice (or vices), however we are more evolved and complex than lower primates who act strictly out of instinct. Humans have a greater power to reason and make choices based upon that reasoning– we are adaptable creatures.
Humanity has the God-given gift of agency (the ability to choose). For instance take a drug addict…he is not an addict UNTIL a choice has been made. Take an alcoholic….he is not an alcoholic UNTIL he makes a choice to drink. Take a pedophile…..he is not a pedophile UNTIL he makes choices to indulge in such behaviors that lead to that choice. A person makes these choices based upon what they are enticed by. In order for a person to be enticed they have to think and reason first.
These addictions are not dependent strictly upon a genetic predisposition…but one will not indulge without first the THOUGHT OF INDULGING. “As a man thinketh so is he.” The mind is a powerful tool and it creates the realities that exist in us and around us. The processes of the mind create hormones based upon the thoughts we choose to entertain, and those hormones govern the whole body (mind, spirit, and chemical physiology) if a person chooses to act on those chosen fantasies.
Why would we ever accept the excuse of a drunk-driver–when he says that he was born that way and therefore is not responsible for his actions. At one point or another a person has made a choice and they should be held accountable for that choice. Saying that a person is born gay and can’t help it….is the comment of a person who has not intellectually and emotionally evolved and one who doesn’t have the necessary information in order to realize their own ignorance.
Dear Janet:
You are perhaps the most obnoxious and insulting person I have ever seen on the Instant Tea comment boards.
I made no choice to be gay. You have obviously made the choice to be uneducated, self-righteous and ridiculous
Dear Tammy,
I’m glad that you responded to Janet’s comments. I totally agree with you. I, myself, am not gay. Did I “choose” to be heterosexual? No. I WAS born this way. Could I “become gay”? I think it would be most difficult for me. Could you be happy being straight? Probably not. Janet is very self-righteous. Her ranting was quite funny though… I do hope she feels better now. Heaven forbid if she has children or grandchildren and one “CHOOSES” to be gay. Poor kid! Hey Janet! I guess you were born heterosexual and “can’t help it”.
Hey Daniel,
Before you make a big deal out of old news, may serve you better to pick up a news paper and get caught up on events. This is OLD news!!!!!!
Oh yeah, you may also want to check your names fact list as well. His name is DONNY. Little things like that, kinda shoots credibility. It all sensationalism at best.
Marie and Donny have never put down, defamed nor insulted any person who chooses to live their particular life style. They have always shown respect to others. Do the same and show respect for their choices.
They excommunicate gays… believe me I know I am one
Thnaks for the response Tammye. I had two points in my response that perhaps I didn’t separate clearly.
1. Daniel’s blog gave credence to the Globe tabloid report, the main point of which has subsequently been proven false. Marie Osmond is not hearbroken over her daughter. Instead of asking for a comment about the article, which led to his blog, he simply recommended it by virtue of writing about it. To me, that’s irresponsible. It’s spreading information about a tabloid that isn’t true.
2. The blog post focused on Jessica, a young non-celebrity who has never attempted to get press attention, seemingly only to attack her uncle and her family’s church. I find that disturbing. If the article were about something substantive like a young lesbian woman’s relationship with her Mormon mother and the difficulties involved (and if the young woman agreed to be interviewed), that would be enlightening. But, it wasn’t. I was a big picture of Jessica, with the headline “Yo, Mormons!” and a large quote from her uncle, followed by a snarky comment about him. The blog used a young woman to attack a religion and her family. I don’t think this is right.
To your question about facts. Yes, Marie Osmond’s daughter is lesbian – as has been known by Marie’s friends and fans for years. However, Jessica herself and others close to her have commented on several websites about this story, noting that she has not been in a relationship for a year. Also, since Marie’s daughter lived with her until just six months ago (based on Dancing with the Stars packages in 2007 and interviews when Marie moved to Las Vegas), she could not have lived in LA with anyone for three years.
Finally, the “back in December” statement surprised me from Donny, since it was around the time of the Prop 8 issue and I was told by a fan who met him then that he stated clearly he would not be making any public statements or getting involved. In fact, I just googled the quote and it was written in 2003, in response to a question submitted on his website. I found it word for word. I could find no other public comments, since 2003, on this issue. I’m not surprised, since the rumors about Jessica began around 2005. But, I could be wrong. I suppose he could have reissued this quote. If there is a statement from Donny, to be honest, I wouldn’t be totally shocked. He seems more conservative than Marie. However, I *would* be shocked if he made any anti-gay marriage comments, given his niece.
So, I have a larger big-picture issue about using tabloids as sources and distributing their stories on your blogs, particularly when focused on non-celebrities. Then, there’s the decision not to contact anyone involved for their real opinions before reprinting, with Donny info added, some of the Globe story. Contacting people involved would have, I think, created doubts about the Globe story, and maybe altered the blog. Unless the idea was simply to attack an entire religion and Donny.
Yes, I’m a Donny & Marie fan. I also support gay-marriage rights, and I’m not Mormon (I find many of their beliefs very odd). But, I think those who write blogs on the internet should remember that they are responsible for what they write and how it affects their subjects.
I am not shocked about this but I am proud of the way Marie herself, is handling it. Great statements and wonderful the way she is supporting Jess. I am laughing at the one comment above about the way “Marie was abusive to some fans in Vegas” NOW for the many of us that have met her many many times over the years that is a LAUGH!!!! First in commen sense even putting aside how wonderful she is, why would she be “abusive” to anyone right where she works? It is probably the same sad tale of someone that was stalking her while with the kids or when she was rushing in to her show, and was told that Marie didn’t have the time right now (Imagine a woman with a career and kids being busy?) Marie goes WAY out of her way to treat her fans kindly, in fact ofter stays much longer than expected to see everyone that came to see her. Often times she will stop everything because she wasn’t looking at a camera or whatever so that fan has a good photo and not just, “oh well you got your pic, too bad!” NEVER. So I beleive the Globe facts before that of the person above who was obviously at the wrong place at the wrong time, or was abusive to Marie herself. THAT I have seen. People expecting her to be “on” at all times. Again, woman with eight kids, has her own life and a huge thriving career. Imagine, busy? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a life people, Marie is wonderful.
Richard, I just felt this urge to stand up and give you a HUGE ‘AMEN”!!!!
i’m sorry, but when a read this kind of comments, i have to answer.
sorry people but i am lesbian, and mormon, and nobody redject me, every body was the same with me and loved me like befor my “coming out”, LDS church is not anti gay! sorry
sorry for my faults, i’m french
All women have some level of desire to lick other women, some men are gay, some are not. Religion should not exist in any form, and no one should get married to anyone or anything else, regardless of what they most enjoy having sex with. Marriage doesn’t work, and religion is evil.
That’s my opinion, you don’t have to agree with it, or like it, and I won’t force you to. Even though it wasn’t my intent, I was fully aware that my opinion probably offends everyone. Oh well, most people’s opinions offend me, and no one cares, so why should I hide my opinions when no one would do the same for me.
I think the Mormons fear those alien probes. Well no law is going to stop them, so be scared, very scared.
Drano, I agree except for your first sentence’s quantifier.
lso, if being gay was a “choice”, wouldn’t gay people hence “choose” NOT to be gay??? I mean, if it’s a voluntary choice. Those of you who think it’s a choice, and then add insult to injury with your phony “we include you” B.S., are Morons.
Who would choose it? I would. There is nothing that I find attractive about the heterosexual lifestyle. Nothing.
I find the idea “who would choose it” to be quite insulting. As if being gay or lesbian or transgender or bi is somehow less good but something we’re stuck with. Yes, I was born this way. No, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Donnie is creepy but the lesbian niece isn’t?…….More mental dysfunction from a Homosexual with a perverse mental and sexual disorder.