Caven/Ablon redevelopment plan is not the best or the only choice to save the gayborhood
The Caven/Ablon redevelopment and rezoning proposal has created unnecessary controversy and division among the Dallas LGBTQ+ community. As LGBTQ+ homeowners who chose to live in Oak Lawn and anchor this neighborhood with our lives and livelihoods, we feel a responsibility to steward the gayborhood’s future, preserve its character and respect its history. For many years the bars have represented the LGBTQ+ community, but their decisions consistently represent their profit interests as businesses and not the interests of the larger Oak Lawn residents or LGBTQ+ community.
Between 2011 and 2015 the city of Dallas allocated bond funds to slow Cedar Springs traffic, reduce the lanes and widen the sidewalks. Like other street improvements throughout Dallas — like Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville, Downtown Dallas, Knox Henderson, McKinney Avenue and Deep Ellum — these improvements would have made Cedar Springs safer, calmer and more pedestrian friendly.
The bars unanimously opposed these street improvements despite multiple pedestrians’ deaths over the years. In November 2011 alone there were two hit-and-run pedestrian deaths on Cedar Springs — 61-year-old Edward Lee King and 55-year-old Wayne Priest — which resulted in the largely-symbolic right-turn-only sign at Reagan and Cedar Springs, with no other changes to improve pedestrian safety.
The proposed street changes made it inconvenient for some of the bars to easily unload beer trucks, and they feared the roadway reconstruction might temporarily lower alcohol revenues. They ensured that these street improvements, designed to make the community safer for their own customers, never occurred, despite broad community support and approved bond funding.
Caven/Ablon Redevelopment and Rezoning Project
The proposed Caven/Ablon redevelopment and rezoning project repeats these patterns of self-interest at the expense of others while completely ignoring the input and needs of the surrounding community. Due to rising property taxes in Oak Lawn, Ed Oakley and Mike Ablon have communicated the need to monetize the Caven parking lots to preserve the bars and remain profitable. Their proposed redevelopment effort was recklessly fast-tracked with the intention of pushing through the most profitable and undesirable configuration without community compromise while failing to comply with basic Oak Lawn redevelopment standards that uniformly apply to similar situations throughout Oak Lawn where high-rise redevelopment is adjacent to schools and homeowners.
Ed Oakley and Mike Ablon met with the Oak Lawn Committee, that acts as a respected mediator between developers, Oak Lawn residents and city planning. After careful review of the project, the Oak Lawn Committee gathered a reasonable list of requests for alterations based on standards intended to preserve and enhance the vibrant character and walkable fabric of Oak Lawn. The tireless efforts by Oak Lawn residents on The Oak Lawn
Committee over many decades working through endless details with developers have created the most walkable, desirable, and expensive land in Dallas.
This process works here just like it works in other world-class cities.
In an unprecedented manner, Ed Oakley and Mike Ablon ignored this valuable mediation step, bypassing concerned homeowners and stakeholders in the community as well as the Oak Lawn Committee. Believing they had the votes to ignore the community, they presented their project to the Dallas City Plan Commission largely unchanged.
There were hours of discussion, debate, frustration, and several split votes by the commissioners, some of whom begged for alternatives. This “fly-by-zoning,” as one zoning commissioner described it, was an absurd display of reckless power disregarding the concerns of many city plan commissioners and The Oak Lawn Committee, as well as Oak Lawn residents and homeowners.
Frank Caven’s vision
Frank Caven himself implemented the existing height zoning restrictions when he acquired the former single-family homes to create the current parking lots in order to protect the surrounding neighborhood. Ed Oakley and Mike Ablon want to throw out this protective zoning, repeatedly stating that their current redevelopment plan is the only way forward, with no further discussion. No alternate plans have been presented that preserve some of these bars.
“Take it all or lose them all” is their only position.
This sad situation forcing everyone to choose sides between two bad options is entirely their creation.
Ed Oakley and Mike Ablon also deliberately created intense division within the Dallas LGBTQ+, community claiming these four bars are “the gayborhood” and that anyone not accepting their only redevelopment plan is “anti-LGBTQ+.”We need to come together and listen to each other to do what’s best for all of us and not deliberately divide and create hostility.
The future of our gayborhood
We can’t stop change, but we can stop reckless redevelopment that lasts generations. Projects like this set precedents that will domino across Oak Lawn and surrounding neighborhoods, putting the future of Oak Lawn at risk from other poorly-planned redevelopment.
We need to ask ourselves: Is the gayborhood the buildings and bars? Or is the gayborhood the high concentration of LGBTQ+ homeowners, residents and allies who live and play here?
The choice is clear to people living in Oak Lawn who call our gayborhood home. The buildings and bars have always changed, but the people and character remain largely unchanged.
Dallas has a choice to act like a world-class city and set the destiny and trajectory for our future. World-class cities have development standards. World-class cities require carefully considered redevelopment that compromises between developer profits and community interests.
Are we a city without development standards where developers and our elected officials abuse their power to build anything they want, anywhere they want, any way they want?
We think Dallas is better than that! Oak Lawn is definitely better than that! When people think of world-class cities with great urban redevelopment that encourages pedestrianism and walkability, we want them to think of Dallas … and Oak Lawn … and our gayborhood. Please support us by joining our
Facebook Group at Facebook.com/GayborhoodNeighborsAssociation. All residents and homeowners between Turtle Creek Neighborhood Association and Perry Heights Neighborhood Association who are south of SoHIP and Lemmon Avenue are invited to join.
I hate to say this because I sound like a republican….but Caven doesn’t owe you a bar. Caven is a business and must make decisions that are viable and in its best interest. Anyone with enough funding can open a bar in Oak Lawn. New watering holes are opening up all over this city, so why is it on Caven’s shoulders to keep bars and nightlife in Oak Lawn? We all know the gay bar business ain’t what it used to be, so I’m a little surprised Caven didn’t just sell the land and the bars right along with it.
I don’t know what the Oak Lawn Committee really thinks is good development. They seem to fight everything. Frankly, this development adds tons of people to the strip, adds more retail and keeps those old, tired bars intact. Drive around Dallas’s entertainment districts on a beautiful weekend afternoon…Downtown, Deep Ellum, Lower Greenville, Knox-Henderson, Bishop Arts, Uptown, Trinity Groves…all packed. You know what entertainment district is dead in comparison most of the the time…The Strip. The strip has basically been unchanged in the 20 years I’ve been here. It’s due for something massive like all the other entertainment areas of Dallas. Hell, I see more gays in Bishop Arts on any Saturday than I do in Oak Law. I wonder why.
Things change, get over it.
That’s the typical attitude (that seems to be shared by too many of our council members and city planners) that has destroyed nearly everything historic, and therefore desirable, about Dallas.
Ironically you mention Bishop Arts and Lower Greenville – two places where they have kept the historic buildings intact, and therefore, the vibe that made the area popular in the first place. People cant’ seem to understand that.
Tearing down everything old and putting up high-rises to accommodate more people and businesses only destroys what made the area desirable in the first place. Now you’re just left with an area that looks like everything else, except it’s no longer affordable for the people who made the area “cool” in the first place. So they leave.
That’s what has already happened along Cedar Springs and the area immediately surrounding it. That’s why the strip is no longer the gay mecca it used to be. Kind of like when straight people discovered the Halloween block party. It completely ruined it.
I”m quite sure that most of Dallas’ development decisions are based on bribes and kick-backs (same thing, really). The city planners and council members have long ignored the pleas of native Dallasites to preserve our historic buildings and neighborhoods. They only care about appeasing developers and lining their own pockets.
You know what’s not typical. When someone writes an article under the guise of a fake neighborhood association and the article is full of falsehoods.
Second of all, there is no tearing down. These are empty parking lots that are being developed and should be developed.
But let’s look at the facts. Caven said they will sell the property regardless of who buys it. The only difference is this sale is not demolishing the existing buildings and will be left in tact.
Basically we keep the bars for much longer verses loosing them entirely, which would kill the gayborhood.
This neighborhood association comprised of two people are an embarrassment to the community. I’m shocked the dallas voice would even allow this article, it’s just desperate.
This article is very biased and seems to be written by the heckler who attended the community meeting at TMC who also is a transplant from another city and state.
The street redevelopment he speeds of was voted by all property owners and businesses, with a majority of the votes coming from the surrounding properties. The vote was no to changing the street to single lanes and all other improvements was voted yes.
The reason, single lanes did not make sense in this area. An area that has lanes on either side of the street with Uber and busses creating additional traffic and an main road that leads directly to live field airport.
Also, last I checked, the bars are private businesses. It’s not economical for a business to run and not make money, a little crazy to think that, wouldn’t you agree
And if this was a true home owners association then what area do you cover, and who are your members
I do not agree with this article. Also, this article is partially untrue. From doing further research, this Gayborhood Neighborhood Association was recently created and seems to not be a real entity.
These bars on cedar springs will most likely sell to a developer because the land value is extremely high and it is their right to sell. It is the author of this articles right to make a bid for purchase if he chooses. I do feel like this particular sell is benefiting the community especially after Covid. Economically it feels right looking at the overall scheme of things. Caven could have easily chosen a different developer with more money instead of trying to keep the businesses and just sell the property.
From what I understand, all other developers would like to flatten the property and build new shiny apartment complexes. That would kill the Gayborhood for sure.
Spot on.
Is this article written by the Dallas Voice? There almost always is a writer and this one doesn’t have one. Makes me wonder….
I think its kind of embarrassing that The Voice ran an anonymous article. Just my two cents.
Well, since there is a byline on it — founders of the Gayborhood Neighbors Association — and information included in the column on where to find their information and how to contact them, it’s not anonymous.
First the by line is referencing an organization that is fake and does not exist. Anyone can make a Facebook group. The organization is not registered in the state of Texas nor is it registered in dallas. Also, if you notice, the Facebook group shows created March 16, 2021 and had a total of 3 people.
Journalism integrity of the dallas voice looks to be dropping to tabloid level with this kind of inclusions.
Did you know the oak lawn planning committee created a sub committee led by Rob Elmore who is against all development, doesn’t live in the area but lives above someone’s garage in oak cliff, and wrote a recommendation to deny the project to the oaklawn committee. Did you know there is no response to the oaklawn committee from the sub committee when requested for reasons for the denial? Did you know that the letter to CPC had no reasons for their denial, except that they recommend it be denied. Did you know Ablon and his team was afforded only 10 minutes to explain this deal to the committee and was not invited back? At least that’s what I’m told and somehow after the planning hearing, I’m inclined to believe it. The long hours this article speaks of and the hard work they say they had with ablon most likely didn’t exist.
Did you know during the CPC public hearing that when asked to confirm this, the speakers that spoke against it just fumbled without the ability to explain it and were caught in their lie? Did you also know that when they spoke in the hearing, the person or persons tried to insinuate they represent the Oaklawn Committee which breaks the oaklawn comittee bylaws, this I know from being a member of the committee. They are not allowed to represent or use the oaklawn committee in their speaking to the planning commission. Plannining commission already submitted their letter with no reasons backing their denial. Also, there is no response from the sub committee on record in the oaklawn committee database, and if they were to enter it now, it would be time stamped and well, would be to late to do that anyways, the letter was already sent.
Let us look at the other issues in this article.
Streets. If I remember correctly this was part of the tavern guild meetings and part of oaklawn committee. Everyone voted against making the street a single lane. They did vote to make it ADA compliant and also voted for street scapes and rainbow crosswalks. I do remember this was a process that took multiple years and bond packages were voted on. So the accusation that the businesses were the reason behind the single lane street denial is false.
Let’s move on. Didn’t frank caven die in 1985 ish. I forget the exact year. Didn’t the zoning for this sub district happen over 10 years after his death? Well I’m not sure how frank could have requested zoning from the grave but I’ll just put that out there.
Let’s look at the current zoning. Yes the current zoning was created to ensure the clubs will have the right to stay and it actually was created with a plan to develop the existing parking lots and the clubs to be higher, at least that’s what I get when I ask people in Dallas City Hall. At the time, 10 stories high all around the entire property was a height that was huge. But with technology and building advancements, plus the city plan for density, Ablon was simply asking for more height, everything else was already in the existing zoning. So the assumptions about the zoning are incorrect in this article. The writer just is banking that no one will look at the zoning and just take their word for it.
I was fortunate enough to watch the City Planning Hearing at JRs since it was shown on all the TVs. If you would have listened to the guy named John, he just ripped everyone a new butt hole and he didn’t even know what he was talking about. I swear he he was going off unprofessionally at everyone on some crazy rampage rant. Those crazy individuals like him most likely wrote this articles. Just saying.
Let’s look at a statement from the planning commission hearing. I believe the supporters even explained that they denied bids from development for tons of money that would level all the bars and not bring them back. They explained that ablon was the only developer willing to work with them and allow the bars to continue business.
In this article it says the gayborhood is an area basically made of gay people living and playing. Let’s be real, the gayborhood came to cedar springs because of the bars. If the bars get leveled then there is no more gayborhood. And from what I have gathered, because of Covid, that land will now sell regardless. I just have to come to peace with, do I support selling it to someone who will let the bars stay and hope everyone works together and makes it successful; or do I support selling it to a developer who will flatten the clubs and we loose everything. We the people don’t get to say who they sell to. I’m just sayin, let’s be realistic.
Will the Dallas Voice please provide the name of the individual or individuals who wrote this under the guise of The Gayborhood Neighborhood Association along with the name of the Officers of this group and their normal meeting times and locations along with their organizational documents so that there is a clear understanding of who they are, who they represent and their mission statement?
This article reads like something written by a very sore loser. As a former Vice-President of The Oaklawn Committee and one of the co-founders of the Oak Lawn Crime Watch group and a property owner and member of the community for almost 36 years now, my engagement with our community has always been clear, open and honest just as the meetings that I atended regarding the redevelopment plan for the Caven holdings. I found that neither Oakley or Ablon created division as they met with countless stakeholders based on the number of invitations I received. I believe the division that is clear is created by the anonymous person who wrote this article otherwise you would be willing to speak on behalf of your group with a name and an honest face. It has always been instilled in me that someone who wants their voice heard without having their face seen has something to hide! This community has fought hard for equal rights by being visible and coming out of the closet. I invite the author of this piece to please do the same.
The information on contacting the people who submitted this is included at the end of the column
I believe I saw somewhere on Facebook it was written by Allen Rodrigues, who is the husband of Brad that started the fake Facebook group. They live together in a duplex on regan next to the daisy polk inn
It’s also the exact same complaints and heckling that he did while the organization did the first Q/A at tmc last year.
Wonder why the DV is trying to protect an illegitimate source
Herschel – you’re my neighbor and a slum lord with multiple properties in Oak Lawn in major disrepair, with mold problems (I have the report from your property next to mine), that look like they might fall down, and that are barely up to code. I wish I could post pictures of your rentals here for everyone to see.
As a home owner, I’m not at all surprised the slum lords would align unapologetically with the bar owners – lol
Tell your renters to stop driving over and destroying my little garden in from of my house.
Alan, you are not very bright are you. You move into an entertainment district and think by owning a part of a house, you can bully everyone into your ways.
Just thought you know, thus is a community of hundreds of thousands and not 20 or 30.
I’m very sad there are people like you who always attempt to make others follow your ways.
He’s a hell of a lot brighter than you!
Alan, what’s your address so the entire community can know to let you know if they support your ideas or not.
And there you have it folks. The character of the one who wrote the article comes out. Welcome to an episode of pissy drama queens of dallas, where it’s pissy drama queen vs civilized gay community lmao
Spot on.
Is this the opinion of the Dallas Voice? There is no author and just references a non existent organization
As the byline on the article notes: It was written by the founders of the Gayborhood Neighbors Association, and the information on the association and how to contact them is included at the end of the column. Thanks.
I see that. I went and looked, it looks to be a home brewed made up organization and I live in the area. Are we sure the dallas voice just didn’t make a fake group and fake name only to write this article?
I swore I saw a posting about someone by the name of Allen Rodrigues wrote this article and had his husband Brad made the fake Gayborhood Neighborhood Association. I know it’s somewhere on Facebook. Oh and I saw Adam Murphy shared this blog post with DallasVoice as the author. So is the author Allen Rodriguez or DallasVoice? Either way there was obviously no fact checking was involved, tabloid quality at best, or as we like to put it on Facebook: FakeNews
This article calling for unity is very divisive in itself. Full of false statements , contradictory statements and obviously seeks to vilify the bars and restaurants. This person would rather see a very strong element that compromises the gay community be destroyed instead of accepting a change in the neighborhood that would allow the bars to remain intact. Not to mention it would make our neighborhood more valuable. Just down the street there are two apartment complexes that are above 10 stories. Where was the crying From the author about that? This seems more like a personal vendetta. I support this proposed development! It’s a win win. We keep our bars and we get new residents and economic value to our area.
I volunteered to be the public face of the group organizing because other members have been threatened online. All threats are being reported to the police. Some here will be reported to the police as well. The Mob needs to think before they type.
We’re organizing with the support of the surrounding neighborhood associations, The Oak Lawn Committee, and our elected officials who all agree we need to organize.
We want options other than – 1) terrible development that dominoes across Oak Lawn or 2) lose the bars. Where’s plan B that everyone can accept? It doesn’t exist so we’re forced to organize in opposition. Caven finally went too far and the surrounding home owners see the urgent need to organize.
you sound like a drama queen that has gone mental. those are the ones dallas police should be rounding up. mr rodriguez, you need to sit down or sha sha away.
And you need to stay in a woman’s place!
This community is full of women and our place is to defend this community against awful people like yourself. That sort of mentality has no place to dictate where this community is headed.
Ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Robinson from Alexandre has spoken. Very anti women. And very offensive. We should boycott.
It’s clear all you armchair zoning experts have no idea about zoning. First, the taller buildings “down the street” were pretty much within their existing zoning. The Centrum has it’s own PD allowing it’s footprint that predates PD-193 and the Oak Lawn Committee, The Toll Brothers project on Welborn is zoned MF-3 (unlimited height) as it all of Mansion Park. The project next to the Melrose Hotel has zoning for more height than they are using. The only height-breaker in the vicinity is the Streetlights project at Lemmon and Oak Lawn and it was cut down from 240′ to 175′ and still managed to provide more underground parking, 25′ sidewalks on Oak Lawn, buried power lines AND preserve the Eatzi’s building. All the crappy apartment buildings along Cedar Springs between Oak Lawn and Turtle Creek were built within their zoned heights. Pretty much NOTHING between Oak Lawn and Turtle Creek isn’t already zoned for unlimited height.
You also have no idea about what developers typically give back to neighborhoods for such huge increases to their rights (that equate to millions in benefits). Underground parking is becoming fairly standard in the area (Ablon gives a single floor underground with 75′ above). About the only places you don’t see underground parking are Victory or downtown – and aren’t they all the more beautiful? Other projects bury power lines, provide wider sidewalks, green space and increased setbacks. This project offers nothing to the neighborhood except 450 apartments renting over $3/square foot. There are no new restaurants or retail spaces – the things the city’s other entertainment districts have that increase daytime traffic.
Plan Commission abdicated their responsibility to assess this project and approved it on the strength of a paltry 23 affordable units.
I do not read this editorial as being against development, but against THIS greedy development that gives nothing to the neighborhood. Yes, the bars stay but so did Eatzi’s and Streetlights offered a whole lot more. If you had any understanding you’d see that Caven leadership is lighting a bag of developer poo on fire before they ring the doorbell and run away.
To “David” NO, height is not all Caven-Ablon are asking for. They want to eliminate the 36′ height cap and triple the density from 250,000 square feet of allowed building to 770,000 square feet. They want to remove the residential proximity slope along Dickason. They want to eliminate the urban form setback above 36′ height to crease a 75′ wall of parking garage across from a 2-story neighborhood. They want to eliminate the 36′ height restriction on the entire property – expressly denied across from the school. They want to add entrances/exits on Dickason that are currently prohibited, They want a major loading dock across from the school currently prohibited. They want to double the number of entrances and exits on Throckmorton.
And “David” Frank Caven may have died before the existing restrictions were put in place in 1997, but they were put in place by Caven Enterprises and the Estate of Frank Caven – go read the original case file, I did. This was 2 years before Caven Enterprises become the employee-owned operation it is today (which gave them a powerful incentive to sell as they near retirement age with no plan except selling out).
Yes, Caven can sell to anyone. But never in the history of zoning cases going back to the stone age has any seller said, “We will not negotiate, take or leave it or we will sell to someone else who will tear down the bars AND IN THE PROCESS WE WILL TAKE A THIRD OF THE MONEY THIS PROJECT WILL GENERATE.” Because with their existing zoning, all that could be built would be 1/3 the size and so 1/3 the money. Their threats are such an obvious ploy and yet so many believe them. You’re being played and you like it.
And for the record “David”, Caven/Ablon were not allotted 10 minutes at the Oak Lawn Committee meeting in December. Developers can rattle on for about as long as they like. They chose to stop talking at 10 minutes before members were able to ask questions. They were then assigned to a sub-committee to discuss changes to the project. They declined to respond until the morning of the February meeting where they said they would be making no changes and going straight to Plan Commission. A hasty vote was taken and this project was voted down 2-to-1. Not remotely a close vote.
To those who say the Oak Lawn Committee opposes everything have clearly not attended meetings. There are over a dozen high-rises approved by them in the Uptown area. In fact, they approve far more than they deny.
Plan Commission failed in their duty to treat this as any other zoning case, instead getting mired in weepy nostalgia and fear of appearing negative to the gay community. They knew is was a bad project, the majority just didn’t have the guts. Heck, no one has even seen a complete set of renderings on this project – what does Reagan Street look like? The full view of Dickason? How about looking “south” from Knight Street? No one knows … and no other project would be allowed to get away with not providing it.
Let me just comment on the top since there is no use in arguing with a set of online trolls.
The planning commission voted in favor of the project. The made changes to the requirements during the vote and went back and forth, but all came to an agreement on what is best for dallas. Simply put, because you don’t think what is best for dallas doesn’t mean other people agree with you. In this case, a majority of the neighborhood and, in addition, the entire metroplex, agrees with this project.
Oh as for this:
And for the record “David”, Caven/Ablon were not allotted 10 minutes at the Oak Lawn Committee meeting in December. Developers can rattle on for about as long as they like. They chose to stop talking at 10 minutes before members were able to ask questions. They were then assigned to a sub-committee to discuss changes to the project. They declined to respond until the morning of the February meeting where they said they would be making no changes and going straight to Plan Commission. A hasty vote was taken and this project was voted down 2-to-1. Not remotely a close vote.
According to your former president of the oaklawn committee, the 10 minute rule was enforced. As for declined to respond, I asked around and turns out, they walked he property with the caven owners. They were in communication, so, whom ever is feeding you these sob stories are feeding you untruths to gain your sympathy.
Sadly, this is a reality and being realistic. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
The reactions to this are very confusing to me.
1) These high-rises would replace surface lots, not pre-existing buildings.
2) You’d think by the reaction that these are getting built next to grandma’s house. What’s actually in this immediate area? The school, a tiny apartment building with a decaying roof, a McMansion that appears abandoned, a B&B that’s for sale, and an empty field. Who is really put-out by this development?
3) You know what *is* next to single family housing? The two other highrises going up in the neighborhood (one just blocks away). People aren’t creating fake neighborhood associations to fight those. What’s different about the parking lots.
4) The developer said they’d replace the parking. Plus, we need to stop normalizing drunk driving. There are so many wrecks in this neighborhood that could be curbed with pay-lots and resident-only street parking. If you can’t afford to park, you can’t afford to drink.
5) I like Jon Anderson’s idea of knocking down the existing bars and rebuilding them with a parking garage on top as a buffer. Caven struggled to fill Sue Ellen’s and S4 before the pandemic. Why preserve space that they can’t use?
6) Something really needs to change in this area. The strip is barren and ugly even by Dallas-standards. I think highrises are a better solution than abandoned bars or another ilume-style mid-rise.
Fake news
Fake news = Truth you don’t like.
My two cents. it’s fake news. To give it a comparison, it’s like trump saying the corona virus is no big deal and the rest of the world knew to be cautious. Right now from everyone I speak to, the rest of the community supports it.
At the time of this comment, the group mentioned consists of:
– Brad Beckham (partner to the writer Allen Rodriguez and creator of the fake organization.
– Kate Gages – sexual kink partner (pupper play) to Brad Beckham and Allen Rodriguez
– Lee Daugherty, owner of Alexandre
– and the fake Facebook page that admins the group
From the research gathered, Brad Beckham and Allen Rodrigues both moved in to the neighborhood recently.
Both enjoy enticing other individuals into dressing up as puppies to look cute and playful.
They enjoy the company of people who visit the Eagle and younger individuals.
They selected their location because of the elementary school behind their duplex. Unsure the intent.
Brad teaches at UNT.
Allen enjoys spending time helping opposers of community development.
This is all of course from an anonymous source within the Gayborhood Neighborhood Association
Is a new organization fake? No, it’s new.
Is what people consensualy do in their private lives the basis for an opinion being valid? No, it’s what the gay rights movement was founded upon. I wonder what we’d find out about you Eric if we knew who you were? We already know you’re a scumbag and the Voice should have not allowed this to be posted.
I’m not the one pointing out people by name calling, I’m simply stating the facts. But thank you for showing us all what kind of people are creating these types of fictitious articles.
Eric, you have definitely participated in name-calling. You make personal attacks on people who disagree with you. Are you a republican?
I guess anyone can shoot their mouth off behind a blank profile, huh Eric! But with all of that barking you been doing lately, some of us are still waiting for the BITE!
Jordan, right back at you.
Not a very good comeback on your part!🥱
Oh my, let me help with a comeback… just going to repeat my mind right here: Robinson maybe when your place of employment eventually opens, if it opens, you might be less bitter. I’m sure that unemployment check isn’t covering those coke habits
Eric is a fake name for a Caven Enterprise Employee.
Reading these comments sparked a thought…….. Jordan Robinson died a few years ago. That’s pretty sick of Alan Rodrigues people to use the guys name.
Sounds like a pissy drama Queen got their panties soiled for not getting their way and pouted all the way to the DallasVoice as the victim.
Oh at the same time, like you said, anyone can bark behind an anonymous association. The only reason why your friend Alan came out and said his name, is because adam muprhy I think posted who it was in a comment yesterday then deleted it. So to post an article full of fake news is pretty bad.
Alan just isn’t spineless, unlike you of course! At least his intentions are noble and he cares about his community!
historically, he’s tried to tear down the community. Actions speak louder then words and all his actions have always been to deteriorate the growth of the community so he can live in a quiet neighborhood. If he wants a quiet neighborhood, don’t live anywhere close to a fast paced area.
This is my observation through the bickering i have seen though the years coming to that neighborhood
I live in oaklawn and I support the project and so do my neighbors
Eric, I did not make any such post that you are referring to.
I’ve been in the active in the GLBT Community for more than 35 years. I’ve never heard of the Gayborhood Neighbors Association.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard of them. Who are they and exactly what “gayborhood” do they purport to represent ?
Caven, since employee owned, has to be able to meet their obligations to their employee/owners as well as be able to pay property taxes.
The proposed Ablon-Caven development may not be a perfect one – but it appears to me that a lot of thought has gone into preserving the Crossroads
“strip” for many years to come so that Cedar Springs remains the center of Dallas GLBT life.
It is unfortunate that there are individuals like that Alan behind the strip that want to write and spread false info to harm a community for personal reasons. I am all for this project, it is a great idea!
Poorly written and very biased. Who is the article by?